Why do people believe in God?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Write4U, Nov 15, 2023.

  1. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    If you agree that all we have expressed are opinions, why do you continue to state that "we know" such and such. Do you comprehend the difference between opinion and knowledge?
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yep, in deference to the believers in an unknown. In Holland they offered an alternate way out, the FSM, but that was denied.
    Spaghetti injunction: Pastafarianism is not a religion, Dutch court rules
    IOW, its not what you believe in at all. It's fear of the unknown.
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Knowledge about God and why people believe in such an unknown, unproven idea?
    All we have here is opinions,
    There is no knowledge unless you are a psychologist. I admit I am not and everything I have posted is my opinion presented in my own words, take it or leave it, ok?

    People believe because they are AFRAID to be judged, not by god, but by his earthly representation, the Inquisition or the Mufti's Fatwa.
     
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  7. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    How do you know it is an unknown to them?
    1. How do you know it is unknown to them?
    2. If you finally acknowledge that you know nothing with regard God, then please, please, please, stop asserting everything as if it is fact. Stop asserting things like "there is no heaven" as if it is true when you can't know. You may think that the accuracy with which one expresses their views is not all that important, but it is. Really, it is. If you're agnostic on such matters, and you want people to understand you to be agnostic, then it behooves you to communicate in a manner that gets that across. Simples, really.
     
  8. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    ??? In what way is this offering "an alternate way out"??? Again, you seem to just be posting things you think are remotely related as if they prove some relevant point.
    Tell me: how does this Dutch ruling provide a view on why people believe in God, given that Pastafarianism was deliberately set up to satirise religion? How is it relevant to this thread??

    If you can't answer why it is relevant, take this as a request to STOP POSTING IRRELEVANT SHIT! Please.
     
  9. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    You missed the point of my post, maybe we are here suffering for a reason. Maybe if man didn’t rebel against God, and if the human faithful didn’t fight the angelic faithful, God would not be punishing you.
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Tell me: how does your ruling provide a view on why people believe in god, given that Abrahamic Scripture was deliberately set up to foster religion? Why do you not believe in many gods? Can you answer why this is relevant?
     
  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Are you suffering? I am not. I am very happy with my life and being one of the fortunate natural patterns that made me human, an extraordinary good fortune. The odds against becoming a human are incalculable. And when death comes, I am not afraid of Nothing. Because I will have ceased to exist.
    This is a perfect example of what I am talking about.
    You are in effect laying blame on atheists for god's wrath, while you may drive a Hummer and pollute the Earth's atmosphere to the point that the Earth's biosphere is in the midst of what is now being called "Holocene Extinction". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction#
    All of us!

    Let me reply using a slightly altered version of your words.

    Maybe if man didn’t rebel against Nature, and if the human naturalist didn’t fight the human capitalist, Nature would not be punishing all of us.
     
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  12. Pinball1970 Registered Senior Member

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    Yes I gave the atheist view but I was a Christian too, till after uni when I decided to PROVE my belief.
    To myself.
    I failed so I ditched it.
    Prior to this I do remember defending my faith to atheists in the dorms and also an ex girlfriend.
    Obviously this is very personal experience but my reasoning would not have been that unusual for Catholics at least.
    God sent his son to give mankind a chance of salvation, Jesus died for our sins. That was the mantra, did we believe it?
    I think I always thought it was rather convoluted but who was I to question? A peon.
    So lack of really challenging myself to question it all until the contradictions had stacked too high was one reason I still believed.
    Letting go of heaven/afterlife was tough. I wanted to see my loved ones again. A reason I continued to believe.
    It must have been much easier to believe in god pre science, where did all this stuff come from!? The sun, moon, wind, ocean mountains, us? A supreme being, designer makes sense otherwise our ancestors were left with option of nothing leading to something.
    Some people still hold on to that, how can the void bring us here? Today?
     
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  13. Pinball1970 Registered Senior Member

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    A little off topic, why we suffer but I will reply as Bart Ehrman happened to write a treatise on this.
    In the Bible god punished people for disobedience/wickedness (read the prophets) or to test (Job) or neither and it was the devil and his minions (Daniel/ Apocalyptic view)

    Ehrman was a theist till he investigated this question in depth.
     
  14. Pinball1970 Registered Senior Member

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    There is a theist posting on here, it would be nice to have their views on this.
     
  15. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Similar journey to me, but upon reflection I am not sure I ever really believed, at least not once I understood what that meant, so all I can give in response to such questions is an atheist experience of growing up and rebelling against the indoctrination. As such I'm not in a position to answer why people actually believe, other than provide explanations that satisfy my lack of belief. "Oh, it's indoctrination and not knowing better", or "oh, it's an hereditary belief", "it's because we're social animals and pack together thereby reinforcing our groupthink", to "out of fear, ignorance, wishful thinking etc".
     
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  16. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Unbelievers should get help before the spoil their true self. I’ll pray for mortality to run its course with dis belief and heart break inside. Maybe pure dis-belief is a problem, but partial non-believers who have that nature as a victim would surly pull weight around the tree of life just to be saved.
     
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    What sort of help? Can you help? If not, who can?
     
  18. Pinball1970 Registered Senior Member

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    The title is "Why do people believe in god."
    It seems you do, can you outline why for us please?
     
  19. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Like help from a guru, someone who understands what dis-belief is. Dis-belief can be deeply painful, and I wouldn’t want to lose a good spirit trying to find help in something that hurts people.
     
  20. Zero Point Native Registered Member

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    Why not? Why do people not believe in god? Why do people believe in the rapture? Why do people believe we'll be rescued by aliens? Why do people believe in the Illuminati? Why do people believe the Earth will ascend into a 5th dimension? Why do people believe the global society will be dominated by the elite in some dystopian future? People love to cling to something.

    Also, just out of curiosity because I have always wondered this. I have a question for the atheists who believe in total oblivion of consciousness upon the so-called "death" of the physical body. Do y'all have any concerns about the state of society and where it's heading? Do you worry about your friends and family and what the future holds for them after you have "died"? If so, why?
     
  21. Pinball1970 Registered Senior Member

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    That is isn't the question. If you want to ask that you can start a new thread.
     
  22. Zero Point Native Registered Member

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    I thought about doing that, but I didn't think it was significant enough to start another thread. No biggie, just curious.
     
  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    If not dead, what do you call it? Suspended animation? Have you ever seen a decomposed body?
    I hope now they will continue to live full lives and have fond memories of me. After I die I no longer exist as a human. I'll return back to "dust" and have no more thoughts of any kind. Total oblivion. Pfffhhhhht........ gone away.......
    I see the description of soul as a misplaced attempt to explain "memory " in those who knew you.

    We live on in memory. It is your life's accomplishments that leave a lasting "impression" in the memory of your family and friends.
     
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