Why don't atheists reject values derived from religion?

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Mind Over Matter, Feb 28, 2011.

  1. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    You mean "opinion".

    Oh dear.
    You mean the weapons of mass destruction asked for and used by politicians?
    Etc.

    Way to deflect from my point.

    Another opinion.

    History. Repression of science. Repression of education.
     
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  3. Saquist Banned Banned

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    I mean "Yes."
    Yes doesn't mean "opinion".


    Yes the same ones, the total tools called scientist who coughed up their collective experience without the slightest inkling without the merest morsel of morality of how much death and suffering they would unleash, nor the fear nor the decades long cold war or the financial ruin of billions of people inflicted upon them by their governments. That's the one you got it.



    And the truth sours in thy mouth...

    It doesn't matter what your point is.
    Your point is steeped in irrelevance, futility of an agenda for the arrogant superior, clouded by the fog of your ratified air. I wouldn't expect you to actually SEE the "comparables",project and predict the probable out comes or even compare the realities.


    ...especially when reality is inconvenient.

    SO?

    This is why I told you didn't have a point. These aren't sources. These generalities speak to foolish and lazy analysis. According to "History" everything has been repressed for every sort of reason.

    Religion has repressed Race.
    Race has repressed Race.
    Nobility has repressed religion
    Government has repressed Religion
    Government has repressed Race
    Nobility has repressed Race
    Nobility has repressed Government
    Government has repressed Commercialism
    Commercialism has repressed Race
    Commercialism has repressed Religion
    Religion has repressed Commercialism

    PLEASE SPARE ME YOUR STUPIDITY
    Science needs to take a number and get in line.
     
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  5. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    spidergoat,

    Say hello to your Uncle Single Cell children.

    jan.
     
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  7. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Single celled animals don't have sexes.
     
  8. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Sshh! don't spoil it for the children, they soooo want an uncle.

    jan
     
  9. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Except that what you offered was opinion. What you think it is, however...

    Oh dear. You're somehow of the opinion (note that word again) that they had no morality? Cold war? You blame scientists for the cold war?
    :runaway:

    Oh very good. "It doesn't matter what my point is"... followed by inane waffle that addresses nothing.

    Hmm, obviously this is ANOTHER point that has gone over your head.
    I as for your sources and you say "reality", yet when I turn the tables and give you a similarly inane response when you ask for mine I get this ridiculous diatribe. Pot/ kettle? See it yet?

    Stupidity? I was merely highlighting your hypocrisy.

    :roflmao:
     
  10. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    The discovery of nuclear energy was inevitable. Fermi almost had it all in 1938, had he not left the usual tin foil on the apparatus.
     
  11. thechunk Registered Member

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    Supposedly intellectual waffle, no wonder the world is on it knees. Some people really need to open their eyes & smell the coffee

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  12. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    ...and Captain Nemo's ship was "powered by the very forces that bind the atoms one to another" back in the 1800's.

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  13. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    How in hell do you power a submarine with duct tape?
     
  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    They do - the values specifically derived from the theism of the theistic religions, anyway.

    But there aren't very many such values. A system of values - like music, language, dancing, family, and so forth - is an aspect of human nature only belatedly and partially coopted by local theisms.
     
  15. Saquist Banned Banned

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    Well, thats what you think, and you can be just as implicit as you like in that area.


    I think they compromised it if they had it. (which I doubt)

    INDEED.
    Thank you it's my MO for irrelevant post such as your post, sir.


    EXACTLY the stupidity I was referring to and as usual you can see it on others but you can't seem to locate it on yourself. You don't even know what you were asking for and as a result daftly made a oblivious mistake. You're so predictable, you made that way to easy. Your request for sources was noting more than shadow play. You had no idea what you were asking for, thus you couldn't recognize that when you didn't get it.



    Implicitly argued yet lacking in explicity.


    Yeah, I out do myself.

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  16. Kellisness Registered Senior Member

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    Atheists often argue that you don't have to believe in god to have morals and values. That's true. But they seem to hold a belief that that argument disproves the existence of god. Not true. The problem with so many atheists is that they try so hard to make everyone believe as they do, and then they accuse theists of preaching. Everything atheists (some, not all) do is preaching, under the guise of "debate". If you see through their preaching attempts, they say you don't want to listen [to their preaching]. It's funny how similar atheists can be to those they profess to be so dissimilar to. When atheists start "debates", what they're actually doing is preparing to preach their worldview onto others. Religious fundamentalists use bible quotes, atheists use wikipedia, both are preachers. They desperately want others to convert to their worldview.
     
  17. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    You are anti-sprout.
    Why?

    As for
    "Can anyone say they know a true Athiest it is a philosophy anyway like the rest of the cranks out there !!"

    You sound like an ignoramus.
    No-one with an ounce of education uses a double apostrophe.
    It's the sign of someone boarish.

    Try a bit of grammar and punctuation.
    It makes all the difference.
     
  18. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Really?
    Point out where I have fallen into this.

    You're making (false) assumptions again. I wanted links to support your claim. Not that hard to understand.

    I knew exactly what I was asking for. Possibly the problem lies in your seeming lack of comprehension. Not only do you fail to provide links but you assume I have some ulterior motive.

    You really shouldn't use words when you're not aware of their meaning. (Or use).
    It was an explicit statement.
    And there's no such word as "explicity" - try "explicitness".
     
  19. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    And your point there is...?
    What exactly?

    Everything?
    Everything?

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    Must remember to tone down my atheism when buying vegetables this weekend.

    False. And slightly self-contradictory.

    Also false.

    Also false.
     
  20. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Yes "Explicitness" is better, but might I suggest "Clarity"
    It's more clarificational.
     
  21. Kellisness Registered Senior Member

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    Of course it's all false, dywydyr, it goes against your dogma.
     
  22. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Can you provide anything to show that your claims are true?
    Any at all?
    Or would you rather just sit back and sulk?
     
  23. Kellisness Registered Senior Member

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    Change the record, dywydyr, you sound like a religious fundie.
     

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