Why Iran would develop an A-Bomb

[Anomalous]

... I believe the goal is to dismantle the global arms industry period .

I think the goal should be to handover all weapons arms and soilders all over the world to UN, and take UN out of USA.

 

[Brian Foley]

I think the goal should be to handover all weapons arms and soilders all over the world to UN, and take UN out of USA.

But the USA created the U.N itself , I believe we should move the U.N to New York , we in the world do not need this dinosaur of American manipulation in our nations .

 

[Neildo]

I believe we should move the U.N to New York

Do you even know where the UN Headquarters is located?

- N

 

[Stokes Pennwalt]

^^ Nice.

Curb the spread of nuclear weapons ! Its irrelevant , the world is awash with atomic weaponery , the very nations which developed and built atomic arsenals are the ones fueling the arms race . If the Iranain goverment in power was that of the Shah the US would be helping him build a bomb . I believe the goal is to dismantle the global arms industry period .

"Awash in atomic weaponry"? Ok dude.

Tell me how many sovereign nations exist on the planet.

Now tell me how many are nuclear-capable.

 

[Brian Foley]

Awash in atomic weaponry"? Ok dude.

Yeah how much is enough ?

 

[Stokes Pennwalt]

That is a rather clumsy dodge. I expect better, even for you.

 

[spidergoat]

Brian can't answer my question, but somehow I missed this gem.

Ignoring the fact that this is a blatant ad hominem to quoque fallacy, answer me this: How, exactly, is the United States failing to adhere to its obligations as a signatory to the NNPT?

I was referring to the Bush Administration seeking funds for a new "bunker buster" 70 times more powerful than the Hiroshima bomb in its FY 2006 budget.

 

[AmishRakeFight]

I was referring to the Bush Administration seeking funds for a new "bunker buster" 70 times more powerful than the Hiroshima bomb in its FY 2006 budget.

Strategy and tactics wise, that is a brilliant decision. Obviously, Bush's agenda includes confrontation with Iran, and then who knows who else? Since the bunkers and underground tunnels have been an issue in the past, America plans to shock-and-awe the opposition into submission. So basically it's the first non-nuclear WMD that is specifically designed for warfare in the Middle East. I'm not sure what they plan on blowing up with these things, but I pity tha foo' who finds himself in a bunker somewhere when one of these explodes.

AmishRakeFight

 

[Brian Foley]

That is a rather clumsy dodge. I expect better, even for you.

Could you for Christ sake explain yourself ?

 

[Neildo]

So basically it's the first non-nuclear WMD that is specifically designed for warfare in the Middle East. I'm not sure what they plan on blowing up with these things, but I pity tha foo' who finds himself in a bunker somewhere when one of these explodes.

And people are worried about nukes? Hell, if there's non-nuclear weaponry 70x more powerful than the a-bomb, I'd worry more about that. Yet, you're fine with them being used on the field of battle all because they're not "nuclear"?

My, the logic.



- N

 

[Stokes Pennwalt]

I was referring to the Bush Administration seeking funds for a new "bunker buster" 70 times more powerful than the Hiroshima bomb in its FY 2006 budget.

I figured this is what you were referring to but I wanted to be sure. That isn't proliferation.

Could you for Christ sake explain yourself ?

Go back and read my post again, slowly this time.

 

[Anomalous]

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[Brian Foley]

Go back and read my post again, slowly this time.

O.K I will do it r e a l s l o w

^^ Nice.


"Awash in atomic weaponry"? Ok dude.

Tell me how many sovereign nations exist on the planet.

237 nations.

Now tell me how many are nuclear-capable.

Let me see , America , Russia , China , India , Pakistan , France , Britain , North Korea and Israel which makes 9 nations which accounts for 3.7% of the worlds sovereign nations . Gee I see what you mean I soooo misunderstood you !

However if we did not play semantics and got to the real statistics we would see that the combined population of those nations which have atomic weapons is 3,184,823,447 which accounts for some 49% of the worlds 6,499,696,392 population which means this world is awash in nuclear weaponery .

Oh better yet please explain to me how 35,000 atomic warheads which can destroy our world and kill every living human being on Earth some 7 times over is not a case of overkill and oversupply ?

I would be most interested in your answer .

 

[Stokes Pennwalt]

O.K I will do it r e a l s l o w

237 nations.

Let me see , America , Russia , China , India , Pakistan , France , Britain , North Korea and Israel which makes 9 nations which accounts for 3.7% of the worlds sovereign nations . Gee I see what you mean I soooo misunderstood you !

Yes, yes you did. Congratulations on rectifying your error.

However if we did not play semantics and got to the real statistics we would see that the combined population of those nations which have atomic weapons is 3,184,823,447 which accounts for some 49% of the worlds 6,499,696,392 population which means this world is awash in nuclear weaponery .

Irrelevant. Domestic population has no bearing in this case.

Oh better yet please explain to me how 35,000 atomic warheads which can destroy our world and kill every living human being on Earth some 7 times over is not a case of overkill and oversupply ?

I would be most interested in your answer .

Where did I ever say it was not? Quote please.

 

[Giambattista]

Why would Iran develop an A-Bomb?

Simple! So they can bomb Hiroshima.

Why would Iran develop ANOTHER A-Bomb?

So they can bomb Nagasaki.


Triste!

Trieste!


p.s. En attendant Cousteau - Jean-Michel Jarre

 

[Giambattista]

Pakistani's built their new idol!

What a funny looking god!

This man with the shovel is digging graves for the sacrificed children.

 

[Giambattista]

Well, maybe he's just hitting the dirt. BAD DIRT!!! BAD!!!!!!!

 

[phlogistician]

I figured this is what you were referring to but I wanted to be sure. That isn't proliferation.

I thought there was an issue with the NNPT specifics and the 'bunker buster', over what was classed as 'new' weaponry, and developing 'new' weaponry was prohibited under the NNPT? A nit pick, sure, but some people love getting antsy over the small print.

 

[Brian Foley]

Yes, yes you did. Congratulations on rectifying your error.

That’s ok

Irrelevant. Domestic population has no bearing in this case.

Considering those nations I listed excluding Israel and Nth Korea consist 70% of world trade and finance as well as 90% of the globes military I would venture to say that this is not irrelevant .

Where did I ever say it was not? Quote please.

Well could you for Fucks sake explain what point you are attempting to arrive at because I sure as hell cannot figure your very evasive posting .

 

[Stokes Pennwalt]

I thought there was an issue with the NNPT specifics and the 'bunker buster', over what was classed as 'new' weaponry, and developing 'new' weaponry was prohibited under the NNPT? A nit pick, sure, but some people love getting antsy over the small print.

Yes, the NNPT is rather explicit about forbidding the development of new weaponry. However, the RNEP, or "bunker buster" is nothing more than a hardened steel case to fit around existing warheads. It is the same W81 warhead we've been using for the B61 tactical bomb since its inception in 1971. If we went about making further modifications to the actual physics package of the weapon itself, that would be a decided no-no, but putting existing weapons in new cases isn't the same thing.

But yeah, this is probably splitting more hairs than it's worth.

Considering those nations I listed excluding Israel and Nth Korea consist 70% of world trade and finance as well as 90% of the globes military I would venture to say that this is not irrelevant .

Yes it is. National sovereignity bears no regard to GDP, population or the size of one's military. A nation is equal to a nation, regardless of these specific attributes (or others). The sovereign nation of Fiji is just as much of a national entity as the sovereign nation of Spain, Singapore, or Iran is.

Well could you for Fucks sake explain what point you are attempting to arrive at because I sure as hell cannot figure your very evasive posting .

I suggest re-reading the thread more closely. I never made any statement regarding the size of national nuclear stockpiles, for better or for worse. Yet you moved on to attack me as if I did. Rather than strawmanning me, you should either address my arguments or ignore them. When you take blithe potshots, you only end up hitting yourself.