I'm Universalist so to what degree do I really Prostylitize?

To what degree is Dennis Tate GUILTY of proselytizing on Sciforums?

  • One to ten percent GUILTY of proselytizing

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  • Eleven to twenty percent guilty of proselytizing

    Votes: 1 50.0%

  • Twenty one to thirty percent guilty of proselytizing

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Thirty one to forty percent guilty of proselytizing

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  • More than forty percent guilty of proselytizing

    Votes: 1 50.0%
  • Total voters
    2
Dennis Tate

Dennis Tate

Banned
My wife and kids can tell you that I make very little effort to get them to think and believe exactly what I think and believe.

I think I do this because I know that I know that I don't really fit in very well anywhere and I am not so sure that I want them to become like me in that way.

I get accused of proselytizing fairly often......
and to a degree I plead guilty but.......
I am not kidding when I say that I think that the Creator who I believe has evolved in fundamental or nearly fundamental energy has YOU in Their hand and / or hands..... and I am not overly worried about changing you into some sort of intellectual clone of myself.





Definition of proselytize
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intransitive verb

1: to induce someone to convert to one's faith
2: to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause
transitive verb

: to recruit or convert especially to a new faith, institution, or cause
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I admit that I am not free of being guilty of proselytizing but.......

I really do believe the following:

h. Who goes to heaven?
In the end … believe it or not (sigh of relief), everyone gets to come home! Heaven is a place of ultimate LOVE. When we have learned how to become individuals that base our entire existence and consciousness around manifesting LOVE, we then become capable of entering the domain of the higher Realms of Heaven. If we do not practice Love, we can only go so far and we will be made to incarnate somewhere out there in God’s super Universe again and again (unlimited times) until we learn.

https://near-death.com/christian-andreason-nde/
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For the record... I am not certain if this is the best sub-forum for this but it seemed like it might perhaps be.
 
I think that a significant percentage of Atheists feel more of a " religious zeal" to alter the belief patterns of others over to being like their own.... but many do not. This has to do with how we view the universe / multiverse that we are moving around in.

If there is any truth that Atheism can behave like a religion.....
then the logic would be that Atheism puts humanity above any other possible Intelligence that may perhaps have evolved in the fundamental or nearly fundamental energy that Dr. Stephen Hawking seemed to feel existed for something resembling infinite time previous to the latest major BB event of thirteen point eight billion or so years ago.
 
Do you think that you are "worthy" of a thread just about "Dennis Tate"? If so, why?

I'm not saying that you aren't. I'm just asking the question. We have a moderator who has started many long threads where he is the only poster, so it's not a new concept here.
 
Seattle said:
Do you think that you are "worthy" of a thread just about "Dennis Tate"? If so, why?

I'm not saying that you aren't. I'm just asking the question. We have a moderator who has started many long threads where he is the only poster, so it's not a new concept here.
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Good question......
I have a really, really, really, really weird personal story to share.....
and I actually put some of the strangest parts of it already here on some discussions on Sciforums.

Can you tell me something about this particular forum......
Do you feel that I picked the appropriate forum to begin this based on how this is going so far?

This is not a quotation.... I am writing this for the first time but the quotation tags are kind of cool.......
and I think that this might perhaps be the correct forum for this.......
back in late 1990 or late in 1991 I was taking a nutritional supplement that really messed up my brain chemical mix and..........

I will complete this story later......
but so far..... would you think that I may be in the correct forum to post something somewhat like this?

You've been around here a lot longer than I have.... and I thank you for your advice Seattle!
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Seattle said:
Do you think that you are "worthy" of a thread just about "Dennis Tate"? If so, why?

I'm not saying that you aren't. I'm just asking the question. We have a moderator who has started many long threads where he is the only poster, so it's not a new concept here.
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Oh.... I have a devious streak in me and I was rather hoping that if some Atheists venture over here and read this discussion they might take at least one step toward terming themselves Agnostics........ as opposed to Atheists............... because they may begin to take another look at The Law of Attraction..... The Secret...........?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_(book)


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Dennis Tate said:
I was rather hoping that if some Atheists venture over here and read this discussion they might take at least one step toward terming themselves Agnostics........ as opposed to Atheists............... because they may begin to take another look at The Law of Attraction..... The Secret...........?
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I self-identify as agnostic but I fit the broad definition of atheist. I don't have any use for rubbish like the "Law of Attraction" or "Near Death Experiences".
 
sideshowbob said:
I self-identify as agnostic but I fit the broad definition of atheist. I don't have any use for rubbish like the "Law of Attraction" or "Near Death Experiences".
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OK... but if you ever have a friend or family member become suicidal.....
a Dr. Melvin Morse in his book Transformed By The Light wrote about a study that indicated that they might be useful as a possible therapy for that condition.
 
wegs said:
That’s a pretty clear example of proselytizing. (to answer your thread title) ;)
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Thank you for answering the thread title.......
my wife is Pentecostal and I take her to any church that she wants to go to so......
my threshold for toleration of "proselytizing" may be rather high?!
 
Dennis Tate said:
OK... but if you ever have a friend or family member become suicidal.....
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My best friend committed suicide. I've been border-line suicidal myself a couple of times.

Dr. Melvin Morse in his book Transformed By The Light wrote about a study that indicated that they might be useful as a possible therapy for that condition.
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Which suggests that it's a psychological situation, nothing voodoo.
 
Dennis Tate said:
Thank you for answering the thread title.......
my wife is Pentecostal and I take her to any church that she wants to go to so......
my threshold for toleration of "proselytizing" may be rather high?!
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Yea, proselytizing isn’t relegated to religion but beliefs too, in a general sense...meaning that if your “intent” on the forum is to “convert” people to your views, that’s what is frowned on.

Imagine if we all did that. :oops:
 
sideshowbob said:
My best friend committed suicide. I've been border-line suicidal myself a couple of times.


Which suggests that it's a psychological situation, nothing voodoo.
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I was pretty close myself back late in 1990... (or was it late in 1991).... so I do empathize and I do think about that angle on all this a fair bit......
 
RainbowSingularity said:
I'm Universalist so to what degree do I really Prostylitize?

NDE is a religion to you ?
yes or no ?
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I think that the word "spirituality" is much more accurate because the people who have an NDE tend to
be all over the place.... and do not feel drawn in any one specific direction philosophically.

Four time near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley terms himself an Atheist because he does not
really recognize what he was shown in any specific religion.

Roman Catholics who have an NDE... seem to be met where they are at philosophically and tend to become
Roman Catholics who have ideas on hidden and deep meaning in their own religion.

Latter day Saints who have an NDE explain deeper meaning in their own LDS beliefs about the afterlife.

Buddhists who have an NDE tend to connect with people all across the philosophical spectrum.

Atheists have some of the most amazing NDE's if they have a childlike curiosity and humility and will
bombard the being of light who reviews their lives with them with lots of good questions.


Muslims who have an NDE would be impossible to turn into suicide bombers because they no longer
interpret their own scriptures in a way that produces hate.
 
cluelusshusbund said:
Wow... anuther thang we have in common::: i also married a Pentecostal girl... an married by a Pentecostal Preecher... but we have only gone to Pentecostal chruches.!!!
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You will not even believe how gifted my wife is.......
For the life of me I cannot even begin to comprehend how my wife somehow gets the messages that she does.......

.... but basically wherever she wants to go I try my best to assist her to get there.
 
Dennis Tate said:
Oh.... I have a devious streak in me and I was rather hoping that if some Atheists venture over here and read this discussion they might take at least one step toward terming themselves Agnostics........ as opposed to Atheists............... because they may begin to take another look at The Law of Attraction..... The Secret...........?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_(book)


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The Secret has to be one of the worst books I ever read.
Following it's so called advice would lead to nothing but heartache.
 
Dennis Tate said:
You will not even believe how gifted my wife is.......
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Well sure i woud... after all she choose to be wit you :)

For the life of me I cannot even begin to comprehend how my wife somehow gets the messages that she does.......[/qu0te]
.... but basically wherever she wants to go I try my best to assist her to get there.
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Yeah we both have ideas that seem crazy to each other at times but compromise always solves any issues.!!!
 
cluelusshusbund said:
Well sure i woud... after all she choose to be wit you :)



Yeah we both have ideas that seem crazy to each other at times but compromise always solves any issues.!!!
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About two weeks after I first wrote to her back in August of 2000 I could tell that she was kind of serious.....
so I wrote her a lengthy e-mail explaining that I was a mess... my nerves were shot... and that she deserved far better.

The following morning I woke up and it was as if the sun was shining on me for the first time in a decade.... and I opened my email to read a message from her that "It is no problem that your nerves are shot I am asking God to cover you with His blood and fill you with His lovely fire." (slightly edited for capitol letters and punctuation).
 
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