Tariffs, but not. Foxholes.

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Mr. G

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I was interested in discussing tariffs.

Than I was more interested in another subject.

If you're in a foxhole on an active battlefield, explosions all around, with another person you know you don't politically agree with, and an active grenade roles into the foxhole; would you fall atop your the grenade to protect them from the blast, or would you role them on top of you and let them take the blast?

Shrapnel leaves a signature.

So do actions.
 
Pinball1970 said:
And there you go.

Three sentences in you are already off on a meaningless meandering tangent or silly analogy if that is what it is.
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Three sentences in and you think you own the thread.

Dude.

Over-compensation has a biological component.
 
Mr. G said:
Present your official credentials. Or not.
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With my only measured IQ at 136 and 76 I still managed all my O levels one year early and A levels two years early. I wanted to study "Beer brewing in the Ancient world" at Hull University, one of our great Universities in the UK, the others of course being Oxford, Cambridge and Preston.
I did not have the Latin so I settled for Basket Weaving minoring in German with German at Manchester.

After graduation I managed to secure a placement in a circus where my interest in manure first took hold.
Allergies to eels destroyed that dream so I volunteered for the volunteers to the fire service whilst working for a leading pharmaceutical company. They looked on Basket Weaving more favourably than the Dyes and Chemical companies I had set my heart on. Those Units on Analytical Chemistry and Nerve and endocrine physiology really worked well for me.
I had to leave the fire volunteer group when I attempted to fight fire with fire, I also did not like getting wet or heights.
After leaving big pharma I finally got into fine chemicals then back into big pharma.
It turns out big pharma was only one building, really small and the bomb scares and threats became an annoyance so I switched to internationals.
I quit the spy game after COVID, now I pass on experience to the next generation of technologists.
My love of brewing, 26 inch bass drums and eels never left me and I always repeat the same mantra to my students.
Creativity is 50% inspiration and some other stuff.
Don't do drugs, unless you get in the pharma game then you will be doing lots of stuff with them as a job.
 
Mr. G said:
I was interested in discussing tariffs.
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Those are just more taxes to pay into Trumps pocket. That must give you a boner, yes?
Mr. G said:
If you're in a foxhole on an active battlefield, explosions all around, with another person you know you don't politically agree with, and an active grenade roles into the foxhole; would you fall atop your the grenade to protect them from the blast, or would you role them on top of you and let them take the blast?
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If that person were a Maga moron, they would be a coward and would have either ran away long ago or be killed already.
Mr. G said:
Shrapnel leaves a signature.

So do actions.
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What would you know about accountability? Nothing much, it seems.
 
(Q) said:
Imsc, you were a high school janitor, right?
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He got through NASA entrance exams or something, apparently. I doubt that.
I requested he post like he is part our loving community, the same that welcomed me into it's open arms all those many months ago.
He has decided not to do that.
So far.
 
Mr. G said:
I was interested in discussing tariffs.
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Trump in 1998:

“If I were to run [for President], I’d run as a Republican. They’re the dumbest group of voters in the country. They believe anything on Fox News. I could lie and they’d still eat it up. I bet my numbers would be terrific.”

Do you believe Trump?
 
billvon said:
Trump in 1998:

“If I were to run [for President], I’d run as a Republican. They’re the dumbest group of voters in the country. They believe anything on Fox News. I could lie and they’d still eat it up. I bet my numbers would be terrific.”

Do you believe Trump?
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Actually a fake quote: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-republicans-dumbest-voters/

But here are some real ones that he made about Republicans...

  • Larry King interview) (Oct 8, 1999)
    https://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/10/08/trump.transcript/

    KING: Now, let's get into some things. The Reform Party, by its name, means reform. You will be leaving, if you run this -- you believe in, what, the Republican Party I believe?

    TRUMP: I'm a registered Republican. I'm a pretty conservative guy. I'm somewhat liberal on social issues, especially health care, et cetera, but I'd be leaving another party, and I've been close to that party.

    KING: Why would you leave the Republican Party?

    TRUMP: I think that nobody is really hitting it right. The Democrats are too far left. I mean, Bill Bradley, this is seriously left; he's trying to come a little more center, but he's seriously left. The Republicans are too far right. And I don't think anybody's hitting the cord, not the cord that I want hear, and not the cord that other people want to hear, and I've seen it.

    Plus, I think there's a great lack of spirit in this country. You know, what happened over the last four years is disgusting, and I just think there's a tremendous lack of spirit, and I think the spirit has to be brought back.

    KING: And it will come through a third party?

    TRUMP: Well, I think maybe we have no choice, and I think that the third party and the Reform Party has done an amazing job, but it's a new party. It's very, very tough to get elected from the Reform Party, we know that, but it's a possibility, and we're going to look into it.

    - - - - - - - - - - - -

    Op-ed for the Wall Street Journal (Sep 30, 1999)
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB938645589464803190

    TRUMP: Let’s cut to the chase. Yes, I am considering a run for president. … Unlike candidates from the two major parties, my candidacy would not represent an exercise in career advancement. I am not a political pro trying to top off his resume. I am considering a run only because I am convinced the major parties have lost their way. The Republicans are captives of their right wing. The Democrats are captives of their left wing. I don’t hear anyone speaking for the working men and women in the center.

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    Washington Post (August 2, 2016)
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...e9fa68-58eb-11e6-831d-0324760ca856_story.html

    TRUMP: I think I’m going to to do great in Ohio, we’re going to do great in Pennsylvania, I think I’m going to do great in Florida and I think I’m going to do great in states that some people aren’t even thinking about. Because I’m different than Republican candidates, than other Republican candidates. I’ve got states that we can win that other Republican candidates wouldn’t even stop over for dinner.

    - - - - - - - - - - - -

    This Week (March 20, 2016)
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wee...nce-priebus-denis-mcdonough/story?id=37775643

    TRUMP: You might as well just hand the election to Hillary Clinton or whoever runs, because frankly, the Republicans wouldn't even have 1 percent of a chance of winning if that's the case. So if they're going to be stupid and if they're going to do that instead of embracing these millions of people that are coming in to vote, then they're going to have to do that.”

    (Not present in their rushed, incomplete transcript of the interview, but that's the quote's attributed source.)
 
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Mr. G said:
If you're in a foxhole on an active battlefield, explosions all around, with another person you know you don't politically agree with, and an active grenade roles into the foxhole; would you fall atop your the grenade to protect them from the blast, or would you role them on top of you and let them take the blast?
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If my foxhole compadre is a MAGA Republican, then I'd just place their head over the grenade, due to the high density fat that fills the cranial cavity - it's perfect for absorbing an explosion.
 
TheVat said:
Research has suggested that it was a toxin in the cargo bay linings of the hovercraft that importers were using.
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I thought only Brits would get some of those jokes.

My lack of Latin alas, is real. Outside of selected Latin binomials for terrestrial organisms, anatomy and disease, I am a linguistic pauper in this ancient tongue.
If I was a student in Washington DC I would write in letters six feet high, "Trump go home!" but I don't know the imperative.

Praeses Trump domum ite!?

Domus exiret?
 
Actually examining (rather relying on the surface impressions) the 'they wouldn't throw themselves on a grenade to save comrades with different politics' type argument (argument by analogy) leads to the observation that it is the Magamericans that are the sort that would choose to let the 'other sorts' die. Of course the extreme 'give your life' examples don't really work well for political analogies - a 'could be saved with a little effort' scenario probably would work better. And of course military training tends to make your comrades in arms, irrespective of their politics or race or gender, your kind of people.

Seems to me it is the Magamericans that find it objectionable to sacrifice anything, even if only a little effort, for those who don't share their values, that see prosecuting, eliminating, suppressing, ejecting the 'others' (who, by not sharing the same values are deemed to not be 'true' Americans) will be a good thing. Empathy for 'others' is not something they are known for - not even (maybe especially even) within the Religious Right.

Which all seems to make the suggestion it is the 'liberal/socialist' (not Maga) sorts - the ones more inclined to want equal and just treatment for all - that would let the 'others' die when there is a way to save them look inverted. Whilst suggesting/implying the Magamericans would be (of course) the heroic ones.

It all ends up looking like one of those 'accuse your enemies of that which you are guilty to justifying keeping on doing it' kind of exercises.]

As an aside I don't like any kind of 'good if they were dead' type rhetoric, not from people who's politics I agree with, not from people I disagree with. Not at all. It isn't necessary and detracts from any arguments attempting to be based in ethics. I don't want fascists dead, I want them to have no power to do harm to others.
 
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Mr. G said:
Iwould you fall atop your the grenade to protect them from the blast, or would you role them on top of you and let them take the blast?
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MAGA republicans would do the right thing and throw either an immigrant or a DEI person (i.e. a black or a woman) on top of it.
 
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