A Christian must be a fundamentalist
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CutsieMarie-I can believe it. I've posted about how embarrassed I get of them too.
Stranger-I did. I see no contrdiction, my fiend.
You don't want to see it.
I never expected you to call me that.
Neither shalt thou covet thy neighbor's wife - Deuteronomy 5:21
I never expected you to call me that.
Neither shalt thou covet thy neighbor's wife - Deuteronomy 5:21
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M*W: I agree. This is an interesting point of discussion. What I've read is that Job was written as a tragic drama (for entertainment purposes only). It was the oldest document written. Why it was placed in the OT is anybody's question.
Saul=Sol=Paul=Paulo=Apollo, so no, you are right, these fictional characters never existed.
I, for one, would like to hear more from you along this line. Have you heard that Jesus could have just been a fictional character, like an offshoot, of Julius Caesar (JC)? Ya know, this really scares the hell outta christians!
Stranger-Now you're arguing like my wife,"If you don't know, then I'm not telling you!" LOL I'll respond to you, much as I do to her,"If you won't tell me then why should I care?" Do John 3:16 next. I don't want to be accused of preaching by forum rules.
MW-SQUAWK! GOD IS A DUCK! SQUAWK! ALL RELIGIONS ARE FALSE!
Here's one for you. Kindly prove the existence of Julius Caesar to my satisfaction.
MW-SQUAWK! GOD IS A DUCK! SQUAWK! ALL RELIGIONS ARE FALSE!
Here's one for you. Kindly prove the existence of Julius Caesar to my satisfaction.
Whereas the atheist views the bible as a flawed human document.
They did their best at contriving a religion specific to their cultures and psychologies. The type of "inspiration" Simon refers could be made evident in how slaves were addressed:
"Slaves, obey your human masters with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ." (Ephesians 6:5)
"Slaves, obey your human masters in everything; don't work only while being watched, in order to please men, but work wholeheartedly, fearing the Lord." (Colossians 3:22)
"Slaves are to be submissive to their masters in everything, and to be well-pleasing, not talking back ." (Titus 2:9)
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel. " (1 Peter 2:18)
It is the bible which testifies the authority over Christians and that is their god and only their god. This cannot be denied by any Christian. Here are just a few passages indicating this authority, however Simon has been very diligent at ignoring these verses in order to forward his agenda of deceit.
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Perhaps you were a used car salesman? Clearly, it shows.
Hence, the utter hypocrisy of religion.
Isn't that what the bible states? Is it not the word of god? Are you the arbiter of what is valid in the bible and what is not? Please illuminate us all as to what is true in the bible and what is false? I wait, all aquiver.
Experts? How can there be experts on the bible? It's merely a book that anyone can read and understand. You read the bible, obey it and that's it. No need to contrive some ridiculous crap about praying and contemplating and discussing. It's all there for all to see.
So, they decide the bible is not the word of god and that they can do whatever they want? What's your point?
Christians who don't agree with the bible are clearly hypocrites.
Bullshit. The position has been made clear by your god, not by Stranger or me.
That's what I've been trying to tell you, yet you put me on ignore for doing so. Curious...
I keep telling you, but you refuse to listen, there is only one authority in Christianity. Can you guess who?
Religion is the real enemy, Simon.
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M*W: Fortunately, I was not put in this world to provide for your satisfaction. Whether Julius Caesar was a real human being or fictional, I cannot prove it. All I know is what all the history books declare, but beyond that, there are several research scientists out there today who have explored this theory. It makes sense to me, since I've read their research, but it is not a widely known theory. I wouldn't imagine you have ever heard of such a theory much less have read about it. What evidence there is about Julius Caesar are the coins that were minted during his reign. There may be other evidence such as statues, although that isn't proof of anything. There are just too many similarities between the character of Julius Caesar (real or not) and the character of Jesus Christ (real or not). They are too lengthy to go into here, and I'm headed out. I've written a lot about this theory, so if you're interested, go look up my previous threads/posts on the subject. Or, read Joseph Atwill's Caesar's Messiah or Francesco Carotta's Jesus Was Caesar. The similarities in their lives will blow you away (real or not).
Q-what was that? Oh, that's right. It says here that your posts are unreadable because you are ignored. I guess others will have to appreciate your abundant wisdom.
MW-out of fairness, I will seek those titles out, but I can't honestly say I'll be able to objectively read them. I will try. I've tried checking out your previous posts, but am too much of a novice of board navigation.
Christians who pick and choose what they believe and don't believe then tell everyone else it's wrong because it's in the Bible, are hypocrites. IE homosexuality is wrong because that's what it says in the Bible that means God thinks it's wrong, but if you actually read the rest of Leviticus, you would find quite a few other things that you think is wrong, but God doesn't or vice versa. I mean even most Fundalmentalist Christians don't lock their wives and daughters up during her period and never touch her during those days, nor do they sacrifice a goat or bird or whatever whenever they do touch their unclean wife or daughter in order to be cleansed. Why not? Those are God's rules.
However that's the Old Testament the book of the Jews, the New Testament is the book of for Christians. So Christians really only need follow their own book.
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If a Christian says that the Bible is the word of God and is perfect and meant to be literal in its entirety than that Christian is hypocritical if they pick and choose. If a Christian does not believe the Bible is a perfect, direct from God document, but something that is inspired by God or attempts by different writers to relay God's messages or a document that is distorted by the culture and psychology of the people of that time, etc., then the Christian is not a hypocrite for choosing those portions that feel correct for them.
It is really very simple.
To be hypocritical is to behave in ways that contradict one's beliefs. If you belief the whole thing is the literal truth, period, well you better damn well follow it word for word.
If not, not.
One can ask such a person how they decide which parts are literal and or true and the issue can run off into epistemological areas, but that is another issue.
And I agree that many Christians do not follow the OT remotely as much as the NT. Those there are those who do get all worked up about certain OT passages, and some of these are really causing a lot of problems for all of us, whether we are non-christians like me, non-fundies, homosexuals, women, atheists, etc.
Ridiculous babbling.
Obviously, I've been "doing" the parts I believe. (This isn't the Absurdities Of Religion thread.) John 3:16 doesn't fit.
Absurd strawman.
I never claimed Julius Caesar existed.
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M*W: It should be relatively easy to acquire a copy of Atwill's Caesar's Messiah. Carotta's Jesus Was Caesar was special ordered. It was written by an Italian and published in Germany. It may be harder to find. I know the Internet has a lot of stuff on Atwill, so you might start there.
Interesting. For one so fluent in the operation of this board, you are apparently unfamiliar with forms of address. MW-Hi! means Hi! to Medicine Woman Stranger-You are a silly lizard, means you are a silly lizard to you, stranger.
MW-Thanks for the info.
CutsieMarie-Simon has it more precisely, I, for example, disagree with much of Paul's new testament writings. One of my favorite verses, however, comes from the O.T. book of Micah- 6:8 to be precise. "He has shown you, Oh man, what is good, and what does the Lord require from you? But to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God." This verse sums up what I believe God actually wants us as humans to do. The golden rule fits in there quite nicely. To me, the Jews had the opportunity to have this relationship with God without sacrifice. Sacrifice was necessary for them, not God. Thus, Christ's sacrifice was truly for our sakes. That pretty well sums up my beliefs. I don't understand why I can't also believe that undetectable flying woolly mammoths create the wind. Reincarnation, Ghosts, Aliens, Evolution, M-theory, The Big Bang. They are all seperate from what I believe. When I am inconsiderate of someone else, I come into conflict with what I believe. This is known as being sinful. Invariably I feel guilty for it. I apologize to God, ask for forgiveness. He laughs and reminds me one death for all sins, try to do better. That's my experience anyway.
Back to you stranger-You still haven't told me how I have contradicted myself.
MW-Thanks for the info.
CutsieMarie-Simon has it more precisely, I, for example, disagree with much of Paul's new testament writings. One of my favorite verses, however, comes from the O.T. book of Micah- 6:8 to be precise. "He has shown you, Oh man, what is good, and what does the Lord require from you? But to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God." This verse sums up what I believe God actually wants us as humans to do. The golden rule fits in there quite nicely. To me, the Jews had the opportunity to have this relationship with God without sacrifice. Sacrifice was necessary for them, not God. Thus, Christ's sacrifice was truly for our sakes. That pretty well sums up my beliefs. I don't understand why I can't also believe that undetectable flying woolly mammoths create the wind. Reincarnation, Ghosts, Aliens, Evolution, M-theory, The Big Bang. They are all seperate from what I believe. When I am inconsiderate of someone else, I come into conflict with what I believe. This is known as being sinful. Invariably I feel guilty for it. I apologize to God, ask for forgiveness. He laughs and reminds me one death for all sins, try to do better. That's my experience anyway.
Back to you stranger-You still haven't told me how I have contradicted myself.
i I take it you also believe Egypt and Pharoah never existed.
Yes, he is a hypocrite. If the document is distorted, then it is useless.
Yet, you don't get it.
That's called hypocrisy, you should look up the word in a dictionary.
So, please tell us all which bits of the bible are not true and which bits are true since you appear to be the arbiter of biblical truth?
Bullshit, that is the issue, idiot. If one Christian decides not to believe in a certain part of the bible while another Christian decides to believe in the same part, where is the consistency? Which part is true and which is not?
Are so blind as to not see the obvious here?