Accepting Defeat

[StrangerInAStrangeLand]

Well I'm certainly glad Indians did not face reality as native americans did

VERY different situations.

 

[Enmos]

I guess Hitler had the right idea..
Rather fight and be obliterated then surrender and live.. is that the idea ?

How about that generalized definition ?

 

[StrangerInAStrangeLand]

Yet again someone absurdly insists on making a word mean what they want it to.

Why try to get HER definition???

 

[Enmos]

Yet again someone absurdly insists on making a word mean what they want it to.

Why try to get HER definition???

Because when she wrongly defines it I can point it out to be wrong

 

[StrangerInAStrangeLand]

Then she'll accept that & you go on to have an actual discussion?

 

[Enmos]

Then she'll accept that & you go on to have an actual discussion?

I wish I could say that I'm an optimist.. but i might just be proved wrong

 

[StrangerInAStrangeLand]

If she wants to make defeat mean what she wants, victory must mean something different for her too. Maybe she wants accept & deny & reality to mean whatever she wants.

 

[S.A.M.]

Because when she wrongly defines it I can point it out to be wrong

Defeat : a condition of having lost, surrender, laying down arms, giving up

 

[Enmos]

If she wants to make defeat mean what she wants, victory must mean something different for her too. Maybe she wants accept & deny & reality to mean whatever she wants.

As far as I can see she defines defeat (and thus victory as well) as an end-outcome.
So unless the opponent is completely eliminated there is no victory or defeat in her book. This should be the conclusion on her part.

 

[John99]

giving up does not always mean defeat. i dont believe so anyway.

 

[Enmos]

Defeat : a condition of having lost, surrender, laying down arms, giving up

That is not a complete definition. This definition support both our views, so there's something missing.
See post 89.

 

[Enmos]

giving up does not always mean defeat. i dont believe so anyway.

You are right. If I give up this discussion because SAM cannot be reasoned with I am not admitting defeat in any way.

 

[John99]

this remidns ,e of a t-shirt that reads:

Rehab is for quitters

i got the biggest laugh when i saw that.

 

[S.A.M.]

I've never heard of a definition of defeat that includes victory.
Except from ancient regime who starts threads on sexual abuse allegations when an adult man has sex with an 11 year old.

But then, I had an actual edumakeshun in the English language.

 

[John99]

You are right. If I give up this discussion because SAM cannot be reasoned with I am not admitting defeat in any way.

Yep.

 

[Enmos]

I've never heard of a definition of defeat that includes victory.
Except from ancient regime who starts threads on sexual abuse allegations when an adult man has sex with an 11 year old.

But then, I had an actual edumakeshun in the English language.

Who did give a definition of defeat that includes victory ??

 

[S.A.M.]

Accept it. You lost

 

[Enmos]

SAM is contradicting herself:

Sigh..

Seeing your weird definition of the word you would probably think that I admit defeat by quitting this fruitless discussion.

No that's your definition.

We're not playing for incentives are we?

No, that's your definition.. :bugeye:

Defeat : a condition of having lost, surrender, laying down arms, giving up

giving up does not always mean defeat. i dont believe so anyway.

You are right. If I give up this discussion because SAM cannot be reasoned with I am not admitting defeat in any way.

 

[Enmos]

Accept it. You lost

I will accept defeat when I have actually lost

From your reasoning in this thread I can only conclude that you won't.

 

[StrangerInAStrangeLand]

I don't see discussions as winning or losing.