Are all dissenting voices cranky ?

[paddoboy]

This is indeed good news, you of course know Australia missed its chance some time ago.
And let me take the opportunity to thank you for setting out all the links that you know about.
I find you are most helpful in these matters as I expect do guests visiting this site.
Alex

Hiya Alex, ignoring the crank, Australia is playing a part in this new gravitational wave cosmology, with regards to the mirrors in the aLIGO detectors......
https://theconversation.com/austral...-effort-to-discover-gravitational-waves-54525
And hopes to take a bigger part in the future.

http://www.aigo.org.au/aigores.php

 

[The God]

You generally either ignore or fail to understand many posts, so I shall repeat an observation I made earlier. Point of information:I am an ignorant bastard. My understanding was that spaghettification occurred as one made a close approach to the event horizon, not after one had passed it. Will you now educate me and correct this misunderstanding?

This is actually misunderstanding and confirms that you have no proper understanding of the subject.

The spaghettification is caused due to tidal forces, greater force on the side which is closer to the BH as compared to the other side, leads to strteching of the object. But for larger mass BHs the tidal forces are not so significant at Event Horizon (Horizon is farther if mass is higher), so actual spaghettification may not be experienced while crossing EH, it will become significant only when object is quite close to singualrity...but then we know nothing about what happens inside EH. Thats why I said it is popo in general.


You raised one more Daecon type query, why not ? Why not two stars in binary configuration become binary BHs. Again showing a clear ignorance of the subject. I suggest you read about Binary BH formation due to Galaxy Galaxy Merger or read about globular clusters. And come back and teach Daecon how Binary BHs are formed (in theory) and withdraw your why not.

 

[paddoboy]

Here's another paper.....
Gravitational-Wave Cosmology across 29 Decades in Frequency:
Paul D. Lasky et al.
Phys. Rev. X 6, 011035 – Published 31 March 2016

ABSTRACT:
Quantum fluctuations of the gravitational field in the early Universe, amplified by inflation, produce a primordial gravitational-wave background across a broad frequency band. We derive constraints on the spectrum of this gravitational radiation, and hence on theories of the early Universe, by combining experiments that cover 29 orders of magnitude in frequency. These include Planck observations of cosmic microwave background temperature and polarization power spectra and lensing, together with baryon acoustic oscillations and big bang nucleosynthesis measurements, as well as new pulsar timing array and ground-based interferometer limits. While individual experiments constrain the gravitational-wave energy density in specific frequency bands, the combination of experiments allows us to constrain cosmological parameters, including the inflationary spectral index nt and the tensor-to-scalar ratio r. Results from individual experiments include the most stringent nanohertz limit of the primordial background to date from the Parkes Pulsar Timing Array, ΩGW(f)<2.3×10−10. Observations of the cosmic microwave background alone limit the gravitational-wave spectral index at 95% confidence to nt≲5 for a tensor-to-scalar ratio of r=0.11. However, the combination of all the above experiments limits nt<0.36. Future Advanced LIGO observations are expected to further constrain nt<0.34 by 2020. When cosmic microwave background experiments detect a nonzero r, our results will imply even more stringent constraints on nt and, hence, theories of the early Universe.

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Paul D. Lasky is
Welcome to Paul Lasky's home on the web
I am a lecturer in the Monash Centre for Astrophysics (MoCA), at Monash University in Australia. I am interested in a number of topics under the broad heading of gravitational astrophysics, although I have a particular penchant for gravitational wave astrophysics. I am a member of the LIGO Scientific Collaboration and the Parkes Pulsar Timing Array (PPTA), which are two complementary experiments at the forefront of gravitational wave research

http://users.monash.edu.au/~plasky/

 

[The God]

Hiya Alex, ignoring the crank, Australia is playing a part in this new gravitational wave cosmology, with regards to the mirrors in the aLIGO detectors......
https://theconversation.com/austral...-effort-to-discover-gravitational-waves-54525
And hopes to take a bigger part in the future.

http://www.aigo.org.au/aigores.php

Parochial mindset ?
Thousands of scientists of varied nationality ably assisted by thousands of support staff (even including fitters) again of varied nathionality took part in aLIGO experiment. You are searching with a microscope in hand, what your country Australia did ? Grow up Paddoboy ! Its a global effort notwithstanding my opinion on conclusions.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

See, if you are in doubt about a person or if you are sure about a person’s shady nature, then obviously you would like to safeguard the most precious possession around you from him, for me those children are very precious and if I see that something or someone can harm them, then I will definitely keep them away. Why we should think that any such safety reference to children would be suggestive of Pedophilic? Dirty mind??

You are terrible really. You raised the children card out of the blue.
Your attempt to sugar coat your behaviour makes your appology worthless.
What words do you atribute to me to justify your vile attempt at slander.
You think I am not what exactly.
What have I said that is any way inconsistent to who I am.
Get over it. You are being silly.
I admit my failings, my inexperience, my desire to learn and yet you have some problem with me... Why because I am prepared to post my face and you are not?
Why because I am prepared to be specific about my career and you are not?
Why because I am prepared to talk openly about my limited experience with the ladies?
Why because I like Paddoboy and the way he takes time to post worthwhile and interesting links?
Why because I am prepared to be open as to how the bank closed its doors on me?
Why because I am open about my age?
Why because I am open about my physical condition?
Why I ask you when I am more open, save Paddoboy, on this forum as to who I am and which part of the world I live, can you give me an answer?
Why when I try to discuss your spagettification do you refuse to look at what I went to the trouble to post?
Why when I try to explain how science works, as limited as I understand, you totaly refuse to see or accept the proposition of best model.
I dont expect you to answer because you are wrong but you will never see that.

As to my education.
I bet you enjoyed a better education than me. I went to public school mostly in country NSW and believe me if you came away knowing how to read and write you were lucky.
I could do leaving certificate chemistry when I was inprimary school but do you think any teacher said now here is a bright lad lets give him some special attention.
When infirst year at high school I taught myself chess, no help from anyone and using pieces of paper withthe pieces hand draw, and beating everyone including all the teachers in high school did anyone say oh he is clever lets give him a little more attention.
I did not go to University full time and had to work 5 and a half days a week.
Did you get it so good.
I had to fight for everything mate.I had to fight the bullies at every new school... You are a bully and I will eat you up. You bullies are all alike.. Gutless truely gutless.
You make me sick you are a pretending phony and you have the hide to talk to me as if you know something, you are full of it.
I know more about cosmology than you ever will because it went hand in hand with my love of astronomy but I dont run around beating my chest and being arrogant saying I know more like you do.
Get down on your hands and knees and beg my forgiveness and the forgivness of this forum that you foul by your discusting defamation.
So know this if you dont beg me and the forum for forgivness your life will be hell I will give you stick everytimes you post.
Mind you I will probably have to stand in line because of your actions I wont be the only on after you.
Think about it mate.

So I hope you had a good day, I must say I was disappointed to see you had been banned for 24 hours.
I hope the rest did you some good.
Alex

 

[paddoboy]

This is actually misunderstanding and confirms that you have no proper understanding of the subject.

The spaghettification is caused due to tidal forces, greater force on the side which is closer to the BH as compared to the other side, leads to strteching of the object. But for larger mass BHs the tidal forces are not so significant at Event Horizon (Horizon is farther if mass is higher), so actual spaghettification may not be experienced while crossing EH, it will become significant only when object is quite close to singualrity...but then we know nothing about what happens inside EH. Thats why I said it is popo in general.

Spaghettification [nice to see you finally accept it] can and will occur crossing the EH, and even possibly before, depending on the size of the BH.
And of course despite your blind refusal to accept the advice and knowledge of expert professionals, we are allowed to reasonably and logically assume conditions inside the EH. eg: If we observe frame dragging, we can logically infer that the BH is spinning, including the mass in whatever state.....When Schwarzchild radius is reached, and in line with GR, we can logically predict compulsory further collapse...

You raised one more Daecon type query, why not ? Why not two stars in binary configuration become binary BHs. Again showing a clear ignorance of the subject. I suggest you read about Binary BH formation due to Galaxy Galaxy Merger or read about globular clusters. And come back and teach Daecon how Binary BHs are formed (in theory) and withdraw your why not.

Not sure what you are getting at, but binary NS's and binary BH's do and will be part of a system that in time should merge. With binary BH's of course, we have confirmation of that twice now, and expect many more.
I hope you are as excited as I am.

 

[paddoboy]

Parochial mindset ?
Thousands of scientists of varied nationality ably assisted by thousands of support staff (even including fitters) again of varied nathionality took part in aLIGO experiment. You are searching with a microscope in hand, what your country Australia did ? Grow up Paddoboy ! Its a global effort notwithstanding my opinion on conclusions.

Calm down my Son! Of course it is a global effort, which makes it even more inane and crazy how any fool could say it was fraudulent.
Your opinions on the conclusions though, count for SFA, you know that, I know that, and the forum knows that.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Hiya Alex, ignoring the crank, Australia is playing a part in this new gravitational wave cosmology, with regards to the mirrors in the aLIGO detectors......
https://theconversation.com/austral...-effort-to-discover-gravitational-waves-54525
And hopes to take a bigger part in the future.

http://www.aigo.org.au/aigores.php

Yes I recall something about that on my astronomy forum.
Thanks for the link.
It is great to see someone is interested in science around here I try to engage muggins re spagettification, he only had to read what I posted and he would be ahead, but no it seems because you brought it up there must be something wrong. Anyways what we easily forget folk find the goings on here when goggling for something so it is great as well as bei g entertai ed by a clown they get reputable links as well.
Alex

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

You can sense the slithering there #818 and #819.
Has this thread now become TG's blog thread...'The stress of being a misunderstood genius'.
I wonder what the ignore button does?
Now there will be an interlude during which' tg' and DMOE can have a little natter.
Meanwhile, DMOE check this out...

The man, and I dont like to use the word "man" to describe this person is sinking to depths I thought even he was beyond.
He not only digs his hole deeper but covers the dirt in on himself.
I am surprised that dmoe has not abandoned him given his lower than low tactics but I guess dmoe thinks the god does not fully understand what he is saying. Well if a friend he might take time to explain why I find the gods words beyond my contempt.
Thanks for standing up for decency.
Alex

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

This is actually misunderstanding and confirms that you have no proper understanding of the subject.

Your arrogance is pathetic.
Alex

 

[paddoboy]

It is great to see someone is interested in science around here I try to engage muggins re spagettification, he only had to read what I posted and he would be ahead, but no it seems because you brought it up there must be something wrong.
Alex

He had not even heard of the terminolgy with regards to Spaghettification and BH's...same with the "No Hair Theorem" and even GR and compulsory collapse when Schwarzchild radius is reached.
His problem as I have said before, is that he picks and chooses pieces of vague areas of cosmology where we are not 100% sure, and then with a bible in his other hand, preaches that we are clueless. Actually the same methodology used by our YEC's......

 

[The God]

So know this if you dont beg me and the forum for forgivness your life will be hell

What is hell ? And how do you plan to do that ? Some kind of Black Magic ?

Calm down, the post was general in nature, a statement from my side that I infered nothing of sort as being made out.

And since you are so agitated at this age, have become so sentimental, that I beg your pardon if my post has caused any inadvertent hurt to you. But keep your sticks and cursing safe for some one else, don't even think that you have extracted anything from me because of some non existent stick or helpless curse. It is with full sincerety because it appears to me that severe pain is caused to you and I am partly responsible for that. Why partly, because matter was settled, but Ophiolite re-ignited it, he should share the major chunk for this hurt.


PS : I suggest such anonymous forums with your kind of temperament (losing dignity under perceived provocation) are not good with real identity. Pl change your cyber name, take James R into confidence and do the needful. It is neither boldness nor advisable to be here with real name, if one intends to slug it out.

 

[The God]

Your arrogance is pathetic.
Alex

See, again you are mistaken.

He is into name calling even including ignorant prick and bastard, he is directly challenging my knowldege from a seat of ignorance. Like you felt hurt by me and responded harshly, the same way I felt hurt by his posts and I am paying back.

 

[paddoboy]

I suggest you read about Binary BH formation due to Galaxy Galaxy Merger or read about globular clusters. And come back and teach Daecon how Binary BHs are formed (in theory) and withdraw your why not.

On reading that again, I see you have it totally arse up, back to front, and just plain wrong. In galaxy galaxy merger, we would get binary SMBH's orbiting before coalescing. But binary stellar mass BH pairs are far more common, simply because of the fact, and as I have told you before, that most stellar systems belong in binary, trinary and even larger conglomerations of stars and of course binary BH's has been confirmed twice now.
So obviously the "why not" is a legitimate remark.
And just as obviously you are unable to answer.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

What is hell ? And how do you plan to do that ? Some kind of Black Magic ?

Why would I resort to black magic?
Where did you get that?
You say you are sorry yet you go on your rant to dmoe, so what do you expect when you are just making excuses.
Hands and knees nothing else.

PS : I suggest such anonymous forums with your kind of temperament (losing dignity under perceived provocation) are not good with real identity. Pl change your cyber name, take James R into confidence and do the needful. It is neither boldness nor advisable to be here with real name, if one intends to slug it out.

Is this a threat?
What you are going to do send some goons to do me over?
Exactly what do you mean?
Forget it.
Hands and knees to me and to the forum.
Alex

 

[paddoboy]

So far the score in this thread is mainstream accepted models and knowledge 10: Pseudoscience/the god 0

 

[The God]

Is this a threat?
What you are going to do send some goons to do me over?
Exactly what do you mean?

Alex

You are over reacting. Calm down and do not misread. What exactly I mean is that it is not advisable to be on a forum with real identity when all others have a shroud of anonymity.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

See, again you are mistaken.

And you would be right... Why because you are never wrong.
Look mate if I set up a vote on your arrogance what do you think would be the result.
People, well in Ausralia, regard arrogance as the worst sin there is, we wont tolerate anyone who pretends they are better.
Have you got that mate.
Alex

 

[The God]

And you would be right... Why because you are never wrong.
Look mate if I set up a vote on your arrogance what do you think would be the result.
People, well in Ausralia, regard arrogance as the worst sin there is, we wont tolerate anyone who pretends they are better.
Have you got that mate.
Alex

Ok, I take it.

Name one person, on this thread , who has spoken/posted with absolute humility. Pl be honest and neutral..

 

[Ophiolite]

This is actually misunderstanding and confirms that you have no proper understanding of the subject.

I don't believe I have made any claim to the contrary, so your patronising attitude is unwelcome.

The spaghettification is caused due to tidal forces, greater force on the side which is closer to the BH as compared to the other side, leads to strteching of the object.

I am well aware of that.

But for larger mass BHs the tidal forces are not so significant at Event Horizon (Horizon is farther if mass is higher), so actual spaghettification may not be experienced while crossing EH, it will become significant only when object is quite close to singualrity...but then we know nothing about what happens inside EH. Thats why I said it is popo in general.

Incorrect. You stated, definitively, that this process could only occur inside the EH. Now you are equivocating and saying that relates only to large mass BH. There were no qualifiers in your earlier statements.

You should try to get your story straight. Your persistent wriggling away from admitting error is not only rude, it is very unpleasant to watch. Let me lay it out for you. If you dislike having your behaviour compared to that of an ignorant prick or an offensive bastard, then stop behaving that way. It is a very easy solution.

Now to matters of substance. Tell me, in your own words, why two massive binary stars cannot each become black holes. Don't send me off to study material that will not confirm your assertion, present the argument. Answer the bloody question!