Don't....I'm OK matey!
Are we made in God's image?
- Thread starter James R
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No not Ad Hominem, that's your cop out, and while maybe Ad Nauseam, perhaps it simply needs to be said again and again.
And yes, I truly feel sorry for you.
A Seniors moment Alex, don't let it worry you. Remember, we are there, the young turks have yet to get there!!
As is recognised, nothing wrong with an argument from any professional relevant authority, in fact it needs those links as often as possible.
I wouldn't worry about winning either. Unlike Jan and Seti, whose qualities only indulged ID and creationism, Vociferous's fanatical "qualities" appear going on his posts, extend to much more, including guns, redneckary and all that it entails. Sad.
In your own words and another example of whinging .....
Write4U
Valued Senior Member
And how do you know that this organism is alive? A filum is not a living organism, a flagellum is a purely chemical motor. The motility it affords becomes part of the gradual emergence of "living" organisms. You won't be able to tell when and where that happened, except for the hard fact that it did.
5. Microtubules in E nucleofilum (Also found in: Thesaurus, Medical Encyclopedia,
Wikipedia).
fi·lum, noun
A threadlike anatomical structure; a filament.[/quote]
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/filum
Starting with a set of bio-chemicals that can divide and acquire motility begin to behave as living organisms. That is the abiogenetic bridge between purely dynamical chemical behavior and abiogenesis to a living organism. The rest is just evolution by natural selection.
Chemical Approaches to Dynamically Modulate the Properties of Synthetic Matrices
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsmacrolett.8b00808
It is when a dynamical bio-chemical pattern becomes self-sustaining and is able to self-duplicate (procreate), that it may be called a living organism. It's not that difficult to envision.
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Vociferous
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LOL! Thank you for that. I needed a laugh.
To be fair, it is true that filum are not living organisms. At least you got that much right. But your video showed the filum of multinucleated eukaryotic cells, which are living organisms. The axopodia were not isolated from a living organism. So it seems your understanding of the science you cite is woefully inadequate.
Yes, filum are the thread-like anatomical structures of the living eukaryotic cells in your cited video, which never once shows solely chemical behavior independent of a living organism.
Again, LOL! Hydrogels simulate the chemical environment of living cells to investigate how living cells respond to differences in their environment. Modeling controllable aspects of human tissue is just a simulation of what living cells respond to. It has nothing to do with creating life in a lab. Hydrogels are just polymer chains that are attracted to and dissolved in water. You do know that polymers aren't alive, right?
No, all you've done is conclusively proven your dearth of scientific understanding on the subject. Take some real classes.
Yet funnily enough, none of your smart arse mockery, sarcasm, and arrogance invalidates in any way, the facts that your spaghetti monster is a mythical superfluous, invention by ancient man.
“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.”
― Carl Sagan, Cosmos
"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.”
― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
“The universe is a pretty big place. If it's just us, seems like an awful waste of space.”
― Carl Sagan, Contact
Exactly, Beer w/Straw!
Just striving to fully understand The Universe as it is now is what Science is about.
Personally I don't
Problem. Lots of people do. If it stopped there all would be fine
Problem. It doesn't. My god has rules about how I should live and you should follow my god rules
Problem becomes big problem. I do not have to follow rules which are not law
We will make our god rules, which are his LAW, into puny Minion law
(Looks nothing like Russell Crowe)
Big problem just became massive problem
NOW I care
If only religious people didn't care about us not living by gods law
Regarding the ten commandments, I've heard that in the Vatican they have before and after documents locked away of the number of shagfest orgies.Personally I don't
Problem. Lots of people do. If it stopped there all would be fine
Problem. It doesn't. My god has rules about how I should live and you should follow my god rules
Problem becomes big problem. I do not have to follow rules which are not law
We will make our god rules, which are his LAW, into puny Minion law
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(Looks nothing like Russell Crowe)
Big problem just became massive problem
NOW I care
If only religious people didn't care about us not living by gods law
Regarding
The Jewish tradition that there are 613
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments
shagfest orgies - from the past are a fairly open secret to any historical religious study and TV religion series
And as it was, and as it will be, up to its "use by date"
Write4U
Valued Senior Member
And which eukaryotic cell is that? E nucleofilum is not an organisms but a microtubule?
The behavior of the pseudopodia are purely electrochemical responses to external conditions.
Via extracellular cue,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudopodia
p.s. bacteria actually communicate via a chemical language, as do non-living viruses.
This mode of chemical communication is called "quorum sensing" and you do not have to be alive to react to chemical "messages".
OK, Eukaryotic cells are 'barely" alive, they evolved from the Prokaryotic cells that came before and are even closer
to non-living purely dynamic chemical patterns.
Anything more primitive than that gets into the bacteria and viruses and viruses are not considered alive . There is you missing link!!
Bacterial Cell
https://www.cellsalive.com/cells/bactcell.htm
IMO, the missing link between being alive and behaving in a quasi-alive manner is found at the viral stage of evolving life, such as viruses, including Covid-19
Virus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus
You see the little portrusions at the surface? In the E nucleofilum, these little chemical patterns are replaced by the pseodopodia. Alive or notalive, that is the question. And if we need to ask that it is evidence that we are observing an intermediate stage of abiogenesis, the emergence of life from non-living chemical patterns...
OK, your turn.
Is this chemical pattern of the E nucleofilum, which is a deadly invader of living organisms, alive or not alive?
If it is not alive but exhibits some characteristics of living oeganisms, then it MUST be the intermediate state from a purely non-living bio-chemical pattern into a living biological biome.
If that's not enough, you'll have to bring something else to the table.
From my perspective, there is clear evidence of an evolutionary abiogenetic process. If you look long enough, this becomes clear and uncontroversial.
The single question reamaining; Are viruses made in god's image?
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Write4U
Valued Senior Member
Ask Beer w/Straw.....Why didn't he tackle the 613?
Are we now in the realm of god looks like microtubules?