Atheism is a belief.

I know how to use a dictionary.

  • Yes, and I incorporate its info.

    Votes: 28 57.1%

  • Yes, but I still like to make up definitions as I go along.

    Votes: 10 20.4%

  • No, I believe in "Truthiness"

    Votes: 17 34.7%
  • Total voters
    49
John99 said:
Thanks, i am checkinkg my clocks. 11:44am
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There is a six minute difference between my computer clock and the time SciForums displays above my posts though. Relative to my computer clock Sciforums is six minutes slow.
 
phlogistician said:
Here's the funny part, agnosticism is actually a viewpoint on theism, whereas atheism is simply a lack of belief in god. Seems th1sguy isn't aware of the very basic definitions.
I looked it up in 5 different dictionaries T1G!

Agnosticism is often seen as an apologetic term, some kind of grey area of quasi belief, an appeasement, if you will. But actually it's a decision that the truth is unknown, or unknowable. Agnosticism is a statement, atheism isn't.
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Bullshit!!!
Agnostic is "God? maybe, maybe not, don't know, don't care, can't be proven either way. Besides, the issue isn't relevant to my life."
 
phlogistician said:
You say that, but then you say this;



Nonsense, exactly! All I did was rephrase your nonsense of;



with

"I do not believe I will win the lottery this weekend = I do not believe there is a lottery I can win."

You see that my rephrasing of your statement is illogical, but then do not apply the same logic to your own statement.

Anyway, you seem to not grasp the meaning of the word 'atheist'. We've done this to death, atheism is a null position, not a positive one. Your argument fails from the start because you fail to recognise this.
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Your statement doesn't rephrase anything. It is not valid. Your ideas of "null" and "positive" in terms of defining the word atheism are invalid.

The absence of belief in God = The belief there is no God. There is nothing positive or null about it. The two statements are 100% equal. If you have the absence of belief in God, you believe there is no God. If you believe there is no God, you have the absence of belief in God. Those who claim to not know whether or not God exists do not have the absence of belief in God. As stated, one without the belief in God has the belief in no God. There is no turning away from simple definitions of belief.
 
"The absence of belief in God = The belief there is no God. There is nothing positive or null about it. The two statements are 100% equal"

*sigh*

Seriously if you think that is the case you need to take a course in logic. You're just wrong. The first statement is about something missing or non-existent. The second makes an assertion. They're different because of that. Repeating over and over that they're equal doesn't change your mistake.

!(belief in god) <> (belief there is no god)

The first doesn't care if there is a god or not, it just doesn't believe it regardless of the reality. The second asserts clearly that it is not real.

So the first is about the mind of the individual making the statement, claiming status as to the mind but limited to that scope.

The second is the mind of the individual making a statement about reality, which attempts to delimit the scope.
 
Dodge, dodge, dodge.

Three choices, people: 'there is god' (of some fashion), 'there is not god', and 'I don't know if there is god.'
Again, I don't care which a person chooses, nor am I trying to convince anyone. And I surely do not espouse an anthropomorphic god.
I mean, maybe nothingness begat form, could be. I wasn't there. (Eastern religious thought runs along those lines.) I think that, if so, then after form came into being, after the big bang, the universe developed mind/awareness, self-awareness. And that is God.
 
Tht1Gy! said:
Dodge, dodge, dodge.

Three choices, people: 'there is god' (of some fashion), 'there is not god', and 'I don't know if there is god.'
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Not quite so simple. A facet of agnosticism is stating that whether god exists is beyond knowing. It's a statement on the subject of theism.

Atheism isn't a statement about theism.

Like I said previously, many use the term Agnostic thinking it is a less contentious viewpoint, but in actual fact, it can be far from that.
 
Enmos said:
Tht1Gy!, what if I told you that my cousin has three heads ?
Would you believe that ?
Would you not believe that ?
Would you believe that it is not so ?
Or would you be agnostic about it ?

Edit: Goodnight :)
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While I wouldn't know for sure, I'd think either your pulling my chain or delutional.
and No I would not be 'agnostic' because the truth is eseiily found out. ( Well alot eseyer than the god issue.
I am however willing to accept the possibility that somehow a human was... :eek:
I gotta go look at the time:eek:
 
Tht1Gy! said:
While I wouldn't know for sure, I'd think either your pulling my chain or delutional.
and No I would not be 'agnostic' because the truth is eseiily found out. ( Well alot eseyer than the god issue.
I am however willing to accept the possibility that somehow a human was... :eek:
I gotta go look at the time:eek:
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Now imagine that if you say you want proof I reply with "If you believe it you will know the truth", or "It is unknowable for you because you don't believe in it", or "You can only see the truth of it if you believe in it". Answers like that..

This is how atheists feel.
 
Come now Enmos, when have I ever used such sloppy thinking? Again, I understand that many christians/theists do, but so what? Am I to say to you 'Well there are some atheists that say... such and such... so therefore that must be what you say...' I suspect that would not be well received. :rolleyes:
 
Tht1Gy! said:
Come now Enmos, when have I ever used such sloppy thinking? Again, I understand that many christians do, but so what? Am I to say to you 'Well there are some atheist's that say... such and such... so therefore that must be what you say...' I suspect that would not be well received. :rolleyes:
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You have a point, but.. atheists are a small minority in most places.
In other words, they are surrounded by people that think they are wrong or even say it outright.
And they wonder why atheists are pissy. Have you ever heard of second child syndrome ?
 
Enmos said:
Now imagine that if you say you want proof I reply with "If you believe it you will know the truth", or "It is unknowable for you because you don't believe in it", or "You can only see the truth of it if you believe in it". Answers like that..

This is how atheists feel.
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Also I'd tell someone who said that that they are a fucking idiot. In fact, I have. You know the whole christian "the book proves the word and the word proves the book ... blah blah blah" crap

I say that "you know, it doesn't matter if you believe me, or even if what I believe is true, it helps me make sense of life and helps me be a more effective person. So maybe I'm wrong, don't care.
In the words of Tom Petty:
"It don't make no difference to me, Baby, you believe what you want to believe...":D

ps. am writing this in class :zzz:
 
Tht1Gy! said:
Also I'd tell someone who said that that they are a fucking idiot. In fact, I have. You know the whole christian "the book proves the word and the word proves the book ... blah blah blah" crap
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Sadly, it happens often enough.

Tht1Gy! said:
I say that "you know, it doesn't matter if you believe me, or even if what I believe is true, it helps me make sense of life and helps me be a more effective person. So maybe I'm wrong, don't care.
In the words of Tom Petty:
"It don't make no difference to me, Baby, you believe what you want to believe...":D
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I can't understand that.. why wouldn't they want to know the truth ?

Tht1Gy! said:
ps. am writing this in class :zzz:
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PAY ATTENTION ! :D
 
BTW, Enmos, If the universe is dead, where does that leave you? Hummm?:shrug:
 
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