i do agree that he is wrong in this case, taking the NT legislation as a modal there is no way in HELL this person could make that decision themself. However i have never agreed with the slipery slope argument. Especially as the fact is that depressed people kill themselves on a daily basis with no help at all. They dont need it, they tend to have access to quite successfull drugs and more vilont means if they wish to do it (im only here to debate this issue because i was stupid and picked the wrong drug after all)
In the end i belive in choice but im not stupid enough to belive that choice is always verbalised by that pt. As i said my grandfather never signed or even sighted the DNR and he was well and truly capable to make that decision himself if he so chose. My aunt also had a DNR put on her without her concent. In that case it was by my mother who had power of guardianship on her because she DID have Alzheimer's.
Think about that bells (forget this case for 1 second) we have people currently who are authorised by the goverment to refuse life saving measures. Im sorry but i have NEVER seen a distintion between active and passive ethanasia even while studying it in ethics EXCEPT for one thing. That is that passive means are slower and more cruel than active means are.
Take an example
two people (in the US), one brutally rapes and kills 10 children and the other is screaming in pain as his bones slowly desolve and reform as cancer
One person gets a quick exit by the needle, the other is given medaz and morphine which cause his death to last up to a week as the morphine slows and eventually stops his breathing. He may even wake up from time to time to have a smoke (this actually happens, the drugs wear off and people in these coma's wake up). Whats almost worse his partner of 50 years is forced to watch this death, waiting for the cesation of breath, every time he exhales thinking is this the end?
Who benifits from this?
we treat our ANIMALS better than that, a women was recently procicuted under the cuelty to animals act for NOT putting down an animal who was in this sort of pain because she couldnt handle being responcable for her cat of 14 (i think) years death.
I watched my aunt forget who everyone she knew was, the worst was when the fog temperarly lifted and she was crying for the state she was in. Most Alzheimer's suffers actually die from malnutricion rather than from there illness. They litterally STAVE to death.
Bells i have no idea how many murder cases have crossed your desk but i can say i have seen in the deaths of at least 10 people both personally and as part of my degree. The guy who came off his bike was probably one of the luckiest in that he died instantly. I have personally seen 3 people die with Alzheimer's and i dont concider it any better death than cancer. One of those 9 died of a PE in his sleep after telling his daughter that he had done everything he wanted to do in life. He had lost his wife with Alzheimer's the year before.
I watched another person die as his face rotted off from his brain tumor. He was under a palitive care order and it took years for him to die.
I watched another (one of my closest mentors) die from enphasima. He was at home and the fire service wouldnt even lission to either his wife OR his doctor who was on the phone SCREAMING at them to just let him die. Before his death he was on O2 constantly, couldnt even get out of a chair. After giving so much to his community his end was not only long and painful for himself but his death also traumitised his wife because the emergency services simply refused to lission to her and his doctor.
Do i respect palitive care in this country?
I respect the people who do it but as an organisation with the current legislation governing it i see it as nothing more than insitutionalised TORCHER
In the end i belive in choice but im not stupid enough to belive that choice is always verbalised by that pt. As i said my grandfather never signed or even sighted the DNR and he was well and truly capable to make that decision himself if he so chose. My aunt also had a DNR put on her without her concent. In that case it was by my mother who had power of guardianship on her because she DID have Alzheimer's.
Think about that bells (forget this case for 1 second) we have people currently who are authorised by the goverment to refuse life saving measures. Im sorry but i have NEVER seen a distintion between active and passive ethanasia even while studying it in ethics EXCEPT for one thing. That is that passive means are slower and more cruel than active means are.
Take an example
two people (in the US), one brutally rapes and kills 10 children and the other is screaming in pain as his bones slowly desolve and reform as cancer
One person gets a quick exit by the needle, the other is given medaz and morphine which cause his death to last up to a week as the morphine slows and eventually stops his breathing. He may even wake up from time to time to have a smoke (this actually happens, the drugs wear off and people in these coma's wake up). Whats almost worse his partner of 50 years is forced to watch this death, waiting for the cesation of breath, every time he exhales thinking is this the end?
Who benifits from this?
we treat our ANIMALS better than that, a women was recently procicuted under the cuelty to animals act for NOT putting down an animal who was in this sort of pain because she couldnt handle being responcable for her cat of 14 (i think) years death.
I watched my aunt forget who everyone she knew was, the worst was when the fog temperarly lifted and she was crying for the state she was in. Most Alzheimer's suffers actually die from malnutricion rather than from there illness. They litterally STAVE to death.
Bells i have no idea how many murder cases have crossed your desk but i can say i have seen in the deaths of at least 10 people both personally and as part of my degree. The guy who came off his bike was probably one of the luckiest in that he died instantly. I have personally seen 3 people die with Alzheimer's and i dont concider it any better death than cancer. One of those 9 died of a PE in his sleep after telling his daughter that he had done everything he wanted to do in life. He had lost his wife with Alzheimer's the year before.
I watched another person die as his face rotted off from his brain tumor. He was under a palitive care order and it took years for him to die.
I watched another (one of my closest mentors) die from enphasima. He was at home and the fire service wouldnt even lission to either his wife OR his doctor who was on the phone SCREAMING at them to just let him die. Before his death he was on O2 constantly, couldnt even get out of a chair. After giving so much to his community his end was not only long and painful for himself but his death also traumitised his wife because the emergency services simply refused to lission to her and his doctor.
Do i respect palitive care in this country?
I respect the people who do it but as an organisation with the current legislation governing it i see it as nothing more than insitutionalised TORCHER