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I feel that current studies of DNA, linguistics, etc. will disprove the Mormon theory that Native Americans are descendant from the 'Ten Lost Tribes of Israel'. I do not believe this theory, because except for the Vikings, there's no real evidence that any other culture had an impact on any Native American tribe, until Columbus. No stories, no place names, no family names, no words or languages, no foods, no writing, no art, no animals, no technology, no resistance to diseases, no genetic trace.
Any tribe exposed to advanced cultures, usually takes up aspects of it. Look at what happened in New Guinea and Polynesia. Recently in southern Africa they were able to prove that the Lemba are Jewish descendents. Using gene studies of the Y chromosome, they followed the priestly Aaronic-line of males (cohen = priest). And the genes matched Jews from Israel and the Diaspora. The Lemba also had stories that they were Jewish, had Kosher-type laws and other customs. Yet they were as black as any other African, in other words they looked native! If the stories in the Book of Mormon are to be believed, this would also be true of Native Americans, if they were Jewish as the Mormons claim, you could trace their genetic makeup, customs and stories. It should be provable.
My point is, since it seems that most Indians are majority 'B' blood type and belong to A, B, C, & D halogroups; it would be simple to correlate the blood types and halogroups that the majority of Asiatic, Israeli & Diaspora Jews belongs to. If anyone has that data, they could prove the Mormon theory one way or another.
Another point is, that any one coming over to the Western Hemisphere with iron, steel or shipbuilding technology would have made a huge impact on stone-age people. Which, except for precious metals and some copper and tin, there's no evidence that any tribe was other that stone age. Anybody with metal swords would have become kings or great warriors of myth, under any of the warrior cultures, (which the Mayans, Aztecs, & Incas were). These swords would have been treasured and handed down for generations, sort of like the Arthurian legend of England. There should be words in common, for those tribes that came in contact with Europeans or Asians. When white, black or yellow peoples first showed up here in the Western Hemisphere, they should have been called mythological names that could be traced to their homelands, (like 'Israelotl', 'Neftiotl', or 'Moronotl', etc, not Quetzalcoatl = Feathered Serpent). They should also have had elephants, horses, etc. in their art or if they were kosher in their art also, at least Stars of David, pomegranates, olive branches or other popular Israelite motifs.
They should have common writing, which except for a few Mesoamerican tribes (the Olmec & Mayan glyphs and Aztec picture drawing), there is no evidence that that any Native American tribe used writing. There has to be some tangible evidence.
Mormons, that claim that the Native American Indians are descendant from the "Ten Lost Tribes of Israel", say that all the ancient monuments and cities are the result of an ancient war by these 'Lost Tribes', which left them without any knowledge of their past, and because of their evil, turned them into dark-skinned people!!??
I do not agree with this belief, and as a Mexican (mixed Indian & Spanish blood), I find it culturally imperialistic to think that Native peoples needed any outside help to develop these ancient sites. I also think, that any reference to "Lost Tribes" is in error, since I think that any descendents of the Assyrian Captivity stayed on in the remnants of that empire, lived as Jews there (so they were not ‘lost’), up until the founding of the modern State of Israel, when they immigrated to Israel from present-day Syria, Iraq & Iran (the borders of the old Assyrian Empire).
As an example, I would like to point out this: look at the Mexican people, a mixture of Spanish & Indian blood. The Spanish dialect spoken by Mexicans, has Aztec & other Indian words in it. Mexican food, has Spanish & native foods mixed together. Mexican art & architecture, are a mixture of European & Indian styles. Why? Because there was definite, provable historical contact.
Anyway, there is usually proof left, the Vikings left long houses, bones and stories.
All the other claimants didn't leave a thing. Why would people believe that others had influenced the Native American tribes (like Africans, Egyptians, Phoenicians, Chinese, Atlanteans, etc.)? Probably because it was wishful thinking or speculation on the part of the early European settlers & present-day mythmakers. Maybe because they wanted to see people like themselves here, so that they would feel they belonged here (entitled to the land & therefore not stealing it) or because they could not believe that 'savages' could ever build civilizations like the Mayas or Incas?
By the way, here are some links that may be of interest to you:
www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/israel/
On the ‘Lost Tribes of Israel’
Original broadcast date: 02/22/2000
www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/first/
On ‘Kennewick Man’
Original broadcast date: 02/15/2000
http://www.chattanooga.net/cita/mtdna.html
On ‘Geneticist's Work On DNA’
excerpts from the ‘Wall Street Journal’, 10 September 1993 p 1, col. 1
http://www.nmnh.si.edu/anthro/outreach/indian_l.htm
On ‘Pre-columbian Native American writing’
http://www.si.edu/resource/faq/nmnh/origin.htm
On ‘Paleoamerican Origins’
http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/bom/manuscripts_eom.htm
On ‘Book of Mormon manuscripts’
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/teachers/programs/2202_vikings.html
On 'Vikings in America'
Original broadcast: January 24, 1995
If any of this interests you, you have any contrary or correlating data, or you can respond in any way with ideas, arguments, etc., please do!!!
Any tribe exposed to advanced cultures, usually takes up aspects of it. Look at what happened in New Guinea and Polynesia. Recently in southern Africa they were able to prove that the Lemba are Jewish descendents. Using gene studies of the Y chromosome, they followed the priestly Aaronic-line of males (cohen = priest). And the genes matched Jews from Israel and the Diaspora. The Lemba also had stories that they were Jewish, had Kosher-type laws and other customs. Yet they were as black as any other African, in other words they looked native! If the stories in the Book of Mormon are to be believed, this would also be true of Native Americans, if they were Jewish as the Mormons claim, you could trace their genetic makeup, customs and stories. It should be provable.
My point is, since it seems that most Indians are majority 'B' blood type and belong to A, B, C, & D halogroups; it would be simple to correlate the blood types and halogroups that the majority of Asiatic, Israeli & Diaspora Jews belongs to. If anyone has that data, they could prove the Mormon theory one way or another.
Another point is, that any one coming over to the Western Hemisphere with iron, steel or shipbuilding technology would have made a huge impact on stone-age people. Which, except for precious metals and some copper and tin, there's no evidence that any tribe was other that stone age. Anybody with metal swords would have become kings or great warriors of myth, under any of the warrior cultures, (which the Mayans, Aztecs, & Incas were). These swords would have been treasured and handed down for generations, sort of like the Arthurian legend of England. There should be words in common, for those tribes that came in contact with Europeans or Asians. When white, black or yellow peoples first showed up here in the Western Hemisphere, they should have been called mythological names that could be traced to their homelands, (like 'Israelotl', 'Neftiotl', or 'Moronotl', etc, not Quetzalcoatl = Feathered Serpent). They should also have had elephants, horses, etc. in their art or if they were kosher in their art also, at least Stars of David, pomegranates, olive branches or other popular Israelite motifs.
They should have common writing, which except for a few Mesoamerican tribes (the Olmec & Mayan glyphs and Aztec picture drawing), there is no evidence that that any Native American tribe used writing. There has to be some tangible evidence.
Mormons, that claim that the Native American Indians are descendant from the "Ten Lost Tribes of Israel", say that all the ancient monuments and cities are the result of an ancient war by these 'Lost Tribes', which left them without any knowledge of their past, and because of their evil, turned them into dark-skinned people!!??
I do not agree with this belief, and as a Mexican (mixed Indian & Spanish blood), I find it culturally imperialistic to think that Native peoples needed any outside help to develop these ancient sites. I also think, that any reference to "Lost Tribes" is in error, since I think that any descendents of the Assyrian Captivity stayed on in the remnants of that empire, lived as Jews there (so they were not ‘lost’), up until the founding of the modern State of Israel, when they immigrated to Israel from present-day Syria, Iraq & Iran (the borders of the old Assyrian Empire).
As an example, I would like to point out this: look at the Mexican people, a mixture of Spanish & Indian blood. The Spanish dialect spoken by Mexicans, has Aztec & other Indian words in it. Mexican food, has Spanish & native foods mixed together. Mexican art & architecture, are a mixture of European & Indian styles. Why? Because there was definite, provable historical contact.
Anyway, there is usually proof left, the Vikings left long houses, bones and stories.
All the other claimants didn't leave a thing. Why would people believe that others had influenced the Native American tribes (like Africans, Egyptians, Phoenicians, Chinese, Atlanteans, etc.)? Probably because it was wishful thinking or speculation on the part of the early European settlers & present-day mythmakers. Maybe because they wanted to see people like themselves here, so that they would feel they belonged here (entitled to the land & therefore not stealing it) or because they could not believe that 'savages' could ever build civilizations like the Mayas or Incas?
By the way, here are some links that may be of interest to you:
www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/israel/
On the ‘Lost Tribes of Israel’
Original broadcast date: 02/22/2000
www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/first/
On ‘Kennewick Man’
Original broadcast date: 02/15/2000
http://www.chattanooga.net/cita/mtdna.html
On ‘Geneticist's Work On DNA’
excerpts from the ‘Wall Street Journal’, 10 September 1993 p 1, col. 1
http://www.nmnh.si.edu/anthro/outreach/indian_l.htm
On ‘Pre-columbian Native American writing’
http://www.si.edu/resource/faq/nmnh/origin.htm
On ‘Paleoamerican Origins’
http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/bom/manuscripts_eom.htm
On ‘Book of Mormon manuscripts’
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/teachers/programs/2202_vikings.html
On 'Vikings in America'
Original broadcast: January 24, 1995
If any of this interests you, you have any contrary or correlating data, or you can respond in any way with ideas, arguments, etc., please do!!!
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