Lawdog said:
Hapsburg said:
No, at it's core, humanity is a violent, cruel, venal, destructive, horrible creature.
Thats all true on a societal level, but not individual.
Hapsburg said:
Humans are more capable of gutless treachery and heartless slaughter than religious tolerance, usually. This level of tolerance and anti-hatred, proposed in that law, is a progressive step. You, lapdog, would be wise to get with the modern world.
There is little need for religious tolerance. We need to love other faiths instead, and tell them lovingly that they are wrong.
Lawdog, as lovingly as I can, I tell you that you are wrong.
Lawdog said:
If they do not try to change they should be expelled, but without unneccesary bloodshed.
Erm, expelled? Expelled from the country? I think that will leave the United States a nation of 40 million Catholics, with the other 200-odd million dispersed all over the world. Downside is, we Brits would be getting the Puritans back. That's before we expel almost everybody and leave Britain back at its pagan Celtic roots!
Lawdog said:
"Religious Tolerance" is a novel and violent doctrine, because it lies and says that its ok for them to believe whatever they want, but thats is a lie, since its not ok for them to kill innocents. It is not. BUT YET THIS IS WHAT ISLAM DEMANDS: JIHAD. KILL FOR GOD, even INNOCENT CIVILIANS. Britain is LIEING TO ITS MUSLIMS, its pretending that such a doctrine does not exist.
Actually, logically it's either the islamist hatred-mongers who are lying to their flock (the ones they turn into suicide bombers) or the leaders of mainstream Islam who have lied to the British Media and the Government.
On the other hand, perhaps you personally recommend Joshua 10: xxii-xliii to your flock in order to have them kill Muslims, Atheists and other Non-Believers.
Lawdog said:
Religion is such an important thing, whether you agree with it or not, it defines cultures, persons, etc. Therefore you cannot have two opposed religions in the same area.
My god you really are a segregationist, aren't you? Religious tolerance has to come along hand in hand with anti-racism.
Lawdog said:
There is no need to kill anyone, just tell them that they need to leave.
The naivety displayed here is absolutely extraordinary. The fact that many Muslim families in Britian have been here for decades might cause a bit of a fracas when they were asked to "leave".
Rather more importantly, you are now espousing racist and nationalistic policies that have not been deemed acceptable in what I will term "polite society" for over fifty years, and are fundamentally what we fought the last War against.
Lawdog said:
There is one exception, Christianity should be tolerated and promoted by states, since it is the best and highest faith, conducive to human health and happiness and peace, truest in its doctrines, ablest to guide mankind with its hierarchies, universal in its adaptability to any peoples, offering the holiest of rites, singular in its assemblies, zealous in the spreading of God's promises.
Again, as lovingly as I can, you are completely and utterly wrong.
Lawdog said:
Very evil religions, like Witchcraft, have never been tolerated, even by pagans, nor have very Good ones, like Catholicism. History bears this truth out: In 17th England and the American Colonies neither of the above examples were tolerated.
Men hate both the very evil and very good.
The Church tried to save certain people from unjustly executing (and thus sinning) when certain rulers desired to burn the evil-working witches, so the Inquisition was established to find out if the witches were really guilty. The Church was the originator of not destroying people for being involved in false religion. Yet this doctrine has been twisted into "Religious Tolerance"
I'm sorry, Lawdog, you're bemoaning the lack of toleration given to Catholics and other sects, and yet your entire post promotes such lack of toleration.
I understand if non-Muslims have a bit of a downer on Muslims at the moment, but your viewpoint is utterly sectarian, hatred-inspired and fundamentally evil. Tolerance of all viewpoints is essential if we are to retain our democratic freedoms. And that is why I am against the Religious Hatred act, because no Religion should be above criticism. And no amount of hatred-filled rabble-rousing should be greeted with expulsion, because ultimately it sets a precedent for any kind of dissension.