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True understanding of scripture is knowing that scripture is God-breathed. Therefore, anyone who does not know that verse in their heart does not understand scripture. - Christenstein
P.S. Stop making assumptions about me not understanding scripture and merely memorizing them. You do not know who I am and you have jumped to conclusions about me.
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Observations - not assumptions.
Your observations are inaccurate/not based on reality and thus, are assumptions. First and foremost, any astute student of the Bible knows that verse that says that the Bible is God-breathe. - Christenstein
anonymous2
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I don't really have a horse in this race, but, I think the "All Scripture is inspired by God".. or "Every Scripture inspired by God is".. passage was referring to "The Old Testament", whether more along lines of the Septuagint or Masoretic books, that I am not sure. "Paul" was talking to "Timothy" and refers to the "sacred scriptures" Timothy has known from his days of being a child. In my opinion, there is no real evidence this passage was referring to anything at all of which became the New Testament.
So you are implying that anyone who does not have the entire New Testament memorized has no undertsanding of the Bible?
I very adamantly disagree.
You're talking about the following verse in which Paul was talking to Timothy?
NIV 2 Timothy 3:10 You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, 11 persecutions, sufferings—what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. 12 In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, 13 while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15 and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
You are using these words from Paul to support your assertion that all of the New Testament is the revealed word of God, as opposed to the testament of Jesus' human followers (such as Paul, for example)?
Never mind - it's pointless.
Thank you.
We are not under the Mosaic Law. Furthermore, the sabbath, which was given for a sign to the Jews, began on Friday night and lasted until Saturday evening.
This is Bible 101. *yawn*
I, obviously, whole-heartedly, disagree.
Oh yeah? Says who? Do you make this junk up as you go along, old sport?
There are references in the Bible concerning God's hatred for things and people. Furthermore, an unsaved sinner is under the wrath of God (John 3:36).
God bless you.
So you are implying that anyone who does not have the entire New Testament memorized has no undertsanding of the Bible?
I very adamantly disagree.
You're talking about the following verse in which Paul was talking to Timothy?
NIV 2 Timothy 3:10 You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, 11 persecutions, sufferings—what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. 12 In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, 13 while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15 and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
You are using these words from Paul to support your assertion that all of the New Testament is the revealed word of God, as opposed to the testament of Jesus' human followers (such as Paul, for example)?
Never mind - it's pointless.
It is indeed pointless. The notion that Scripture is God-breathe is from Bible 101 classes.
The Bible knows no boundaries of time since God is omniscience. He sees all at once and if His word says "all," it means all. - Christenstein
These discussions boil down to a matter of final authority.
As it is written, "And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not" - Acts 28:24
It's not a matter of believing what was spoken or written - it's a matter of interpretation and understanding.
One must distinguish between the use of "all" as "without exception" or as "without distinction." :itold:
God bless you.
Take care.
anonymous2
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So I guess when the Bible says that the antichrist would have "all power" it really meant "all"?
2 Thessalonians 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
When Jesus is quoted as saying "All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not." what he really meant was that the disciples should do every single thing the Pharisees wanted, including following Pharaisical rules?
When Romans 10:18 says "But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.", what the author really meant to say is the author was referring to the whole world, including eskimos, Chinese, Koreans?
1 Thessalonians 5:16 "Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss."
Do you personally greet all fellow Christian men with a holy kiss? Say, if you see one walking down the street?
Luke 15:1 Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.
Does this mean that every single publican and every single sinner (which in Christian theology should mean every single individual in the entire world) drew near to Jesus to hear him?
Are you entirely sure you wish to say that "all" has to mean all?
I understand your position though. You can claim that there was foreknowledge in what "Paul" wrote to anticipate the entire New Testament (whichever version that is, since there are many variant manuscripts and some Christian organizations don't go by the 27 books in a Protestant canon, an Eastern church goes by only 22 books from my understanding). But, this is not a provable claim in my opinion. It is your particular opinion.
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anonymous2 said:
You misread this passage. It says, "all power AND signs AND lying wonders." It is the intersection between those three circles in the Venn Diagram, not just the circle containing power.
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Since all authorities come from God, anything that contradict God's laws are not from God's authority. See the following passage.
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
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Of course, there are missionaries all over the world today...
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The indwelling of the Holy Spirit proves such claims.
Christenstein
anonymous2
Registered Senior Member
I'm not really arguing.. just saying that I'm not entirely sure every time the Bible says "all" that it really meant literally, all without any exception.
I'm not saying you are wrong - I do the same thing.
I'm just saying it gives me a giggle.
anonymous2
Registered Senior Member
Why does the inclusion of signs and lying wonders refute my point? It says "all power".. whether signs and lying wonders are included doesn't seem all that relevant to my point, in my opinion.
That's not what the passage actually says though. It says their sound went into all the earth. Not that it would at a later time.
Once again, that seems to be your personal opinion. Lots of people can claim to have the "indwelling of the Holy Spirit".. and yet can have conflicting doctrines.
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