You will get it, but locally only and typically for less than 10 days. Greater temperature volatility is a product of more extreme N/S wander of the Jet Stream, indirectly caused by Polar region warming faster than the mid latitudes, at least in the Northern hemisphere.... I'm ready for some global cooling. ...
If you gotta ask, You can't afford it.Cold is the new warm...I'm ready for some global cooling. How much would it cost?
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milkweed said:So anyways, with a decreasing temp trend, I am unsure how the instruments captured a decade long rising temp trend. Additionally, with the earlier article indicating cloud cover (H2O) was the significant factor in temp trends I am dismissive of this articles claim to have captured carbon EDIT --> CO2 in the act of warming anything.
If you gotta ask, You can't afford it.
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And, I expect the real climate science deniers to say:
It's only local, and it's only weather-------not climate...
Greater temperature volatility is a product of more extreme N/S wander of the Jet Stream, indirectly caused by Polar region warming faster than the mid latitudes, at least in the Northern hemisphere.
I. e. It is that delining temperature gradient that is causing the West to East momentum of the Jet Stream to decrease, making it easier for new cold records, especially south of Canada and new heat records north of the US to be set.
If a mass of arctic air moves further South, then somewhere else along that latitude line, a mass of warmer than normal air moves farther north - all the result of and predicted by the theory / growing understanding of AGW.
This change, (greater temperature volatility), can have large economic effect, especially in your food cost. For example, a mass of freezing Arctic air that moves into Kansas just as the spring crops there have sprouted, it can kill them and as that mass has low water vapor in it, the relative humidity drastically falls as it warms. That makes replanting the crop, in dryer soil, not only costly but also with less yield per acre, even if second planting does sprout.
You also asked: "How much will it cost?" - I don't know, your guess is a good as mine, which is about 10% more in your food bill directly due to AGW.
Easy prediction - examine physical reality, and it practically makes itself.And, I expect the real climate science deniers to say:
It's only local, and it's only weather-------not climate..
The fossil fuel dependency? The artificial CO2 boost? Why yes, that's a fair description.The have gotten hold of a tiger by the tail and cannot afford to let go.
Your question was answered two or three times, by different people making the same point - you have confused temperature at ground level with radiation flux from the sky. You did not understand the findings as reported. Other people are not unsure how their instruments captured a rising temperature trend, because that's not what their instruments captured or were meant to capture. You are unsure about something you have invented to be confused about.milkweed said:If you cant (or dont want to bother) answering the question/point being made by sticking with the topic,
SUMMARY: You seem to be just another denier of AGW - not interested in facts, willing to repute well established physics, etc. with nothing more than a belief it must be wrong; and wed to your own alternative pet theory. - Yours is not their common one: God would not let it be serious -He has negative feed backs man just does not now about.
I suggest that an increase in Lightning may act as beneficial natural loop in dealing with CH4 and you accuse me of claiming hidden Acts of God...sheesh!Billy T said:As no one understands how clouds can get charged up to such high negative voltages that it breaks down the normally good insulation of the air
Billy T said:yes more lighting should help remove CH4, I think. I know It makes ozone as have smelled it once.
Our local meteorologists new mantra is: "Another record setting cold..."
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MASON CITY, Iowa (AP) — An arctic winter weather system hovering over Iowa has led to several record-breaking cold temperature readings in the state.
The National Weather Service says Mason City hit a record low of 18 degrees below zero at 6 a.m. Friday, shattering its 115-year-old record for February 27rg of 12-below, set in 1899.
Waterloo also reached a record low of 24-below zero on Friday. The previous record of 14-below was set in 1897.
Records were also broken Friday in Dubuque and Elkader. Dubuque reached a low of 21-below Friday morning, well below the record of 12-below set in 1879, and Elkader had a Friday reading of 28-below. The previous record had been 18-below set in 1935.
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Residents of Dubuque and Elkader, Iowa, have endured back-to-back days of record-setting cold.
Temperatures in Dubuque reached 17 degrees below zero this morning, besting the previous record of 10 below set in 1962. A record low temperature of 21 degrees below zero was recorded Friday morning, significantly colder than the previous Feb. 27 all-time low of minus-12 set in 1879.
I am aware you do not pay attention to details sooo..Your question was answered two or three times, by different people making the same point - you have confused temperature at ground level with radiation flux from the sky. You did not understand the findings as reported. Other people are not unsure how their instruments captured a rising temperature trend, because that's not what their instruments captured or were meant to capture. You are unsure about something you have invented to be confused about.
article said:The instruments captured more than a decade of rising surface temperatures, changes that were directly triggered by the atmosphere’s increasing burden of carbon dioxide, a team of scientists from Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and University of California, Berkeley, reported.
abstract said:Here we present observationally based evidence of clear-sky CO2 surface radiative forcing that is directly attributable to the increase, between 2000 and 2010, of 22 parts per million atmospheric CO2.
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The time series both show statistically significant trends of 0.2 W m−2 per decade (with respective uncertainties of ±0.06 W m−2 per decade and ±0.07 W m−2 per decade) and have seasonal ranges of 0.1–0.2 W m−2. This is approximately ten per cent of the trend in downwelling longwave radiation
Are you aware that I have read the posts here, and was commenting on them? You claimed to be unsure of how instruments measuring a surface temperature decrease and instruments measuring a surface temperature increase could be squared. Their instruments were not measuring surface temperature., so the contradiction ( and therefore your problem, as posted here) does not exist.milkweed said:I am also aware you have not read the paper in Nature and are just winging it.
But thank you for clarifying - it's worse than I imagined: you aren't even talking about the same freaking surface location.
You are being played by your sources.
The scientists used an array of extremely precise instruments that the U.S. Department of Energy has installed at its climate research facilities near Barrow, Alaska, and Lamont, Okla., to document how the warming works.
I hope this helps and forgive me if I am reading your concerns incorrectly.