Does capitalism work?
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*sigh... 
Do some reading... p-lease!
http://www.greenanarchy.org/index.php?action=viewwritingdetail&writingId=205
http://www.strike-the-root.com/52/davis/davis4.html
A link full of stuff to read:
http://www.insolitology.com/simplyanarchy/studies.htm
Do some reading... p-lease!
http://www.greenanarchy.org/index.php?action=viewwritingdetail&writingId=205
http://www.strike-the-root.com/52/davis/davis4.html
A link full of stuff to read:
http://www.insolitology.com/simplyanarchy/studies.htm
You mean a few of them?cool skill said:
Their standard of living suck!?!? What!?!?!? :bugeye:
Their standard of living is a thousands times better!! They are extremely healthy, they are way happier and they are completely free! God, they even walk on the forest naked!
are they also free to rape all the women of the society, or steal from tehir neighbors, or tear out the hearts of virgins and eat them to appease the gods
Give me a break truthseeker as long as humans are not perfect robots anarchy will not work, it is a return to savagery
Give me a break truthseeker as long as humans are not perfect robots anarchy will not work, it is a return to savagery
Here is what the site said:
West Papua is the Western Half of the New Guinea Island which is north of Australia.
?West Papua tribal people are struggling firstly for independence, from the brutal Indonesian regime.
? Second is, we are struggling for our nature & culture and also our environment.
? Third is, we want to be free from other economical colonisation that steal our nature.
West Papuans ethnically are Melanesia, not Asia, Australasia, Polynesia, or any other grouping, but we are 100% Melanesia. West Papua is geographically, mountainous (snow capped), and covered tropical rainforests.
West Papua consists of 250 different tribes and so 250 languages, each tribe ? with quite different cultures.
Our Second struggle is for land, in our own land, because land is our mother and forest is our store, because forest gives us life and all we need.
If we look to West Papua right now, almost everything is disappearing, everything we have; for examples; killing of us human beings, cutting the trees, very, very quickly and so destroying us and our way of our life.
We don?t want any form of your development because development is bringing big problems in to the tribal world.
Just leave us alone, what ever we are, because we know that ? already for thousand years. We have already settled the whole Melanesian region specially in West Papua, long time before your civilization was even born.
When western civilization came to our world ? bringing all kinds of so-called development it began to destroy our natural way of life.
Before our ancestors lived in harmony, respecting each other, we respect our nature, we respect our customs and also we are sure of everything we have, but now we see that very different because the new cultures brought in from outside world, via the Missionaries or Western People. So now, for our culture, our world disappears.
That is why we want, only simple life.
We not interested in development
We not interested in western way of life
We don?t want any more colonization of our people.
We don?t want your civilization
Just leave us alone!
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I think everybody has the right to their land free from colonization. I would not consider walking around naked, and growing your children in such an environment really that condusive or healthy. I have never been there, so I don't know what their life is really like. But me and nature do not get along. Who would really want to live like that?
Well of course they do, and they have all the right to. In fact, I have devloped designs on how the entire planet could be nothing but pure nature with pockets of megacities for human living scattered in different areas. Those who choose to live in tribal anarchy as keepers of the forest away from the mondess have all the blessings of a real First World civilization.
As long as they are protecting eachothers rights, and living in health and harmony, I see no problem.
1. What about kids? Should they not have good facilities and high standard education of human development?
2. I find it hard to swallow that people actually like living like that. Without the proper technology, how can they take care of themselves properly, and how can they learn more about the sciences. Math, chemistry, physics, biology, reading/writing, etc.?
West Papua is the Western Half of the New Guinea Island which is north of Australia.
?West Papua tribal people are struggling firstly for independence, from the brutal Indonesian regime.
? Second is, we are struggling for our nature & culture and also our environment.
? Third is, we want to be free from other economical colonisation that steal our nature.
West Papuans ethnically are Melanesia, not Asia, Australasia, Polynesia, or any other grouping, but we are 100% Melanesia. West Papua is geographically, mountainous (snow capped), and covered tropical rainforests.
West Papua consists of 250 different tribes and so 250 languages, each tribe ? with quite different cultures.
Our Second struggle is for land, in our own land, because land is our mother and forest is our store, because forest gives us life and all we need.
If we look to West Papua right now, almost everything is disappearing, everything we have; for examples; killing of us human beings, cutting the trees, very, very quickly and so destroying us and our way of our life.
We don?t want any form of your development because development is bringing big problems in to the tribal world.
Just leave us alone, what ever we are, because we know that ? already for thousand years. We have already settled the whole Melanesian region specially in West Papua, long time before your civilization was even born.
When western civilization came to our world ? bringing all kinds of so-called development it began to destroy our natural way of life.
Before our ancestors lived in harmony, respecting each other, we respect our nature, we respect our customs and also we are sure of everything we have, but now we see that very different because the new cultures brought in from outside world, via the Missionaries or Western People. So now, for our culture, our world disappears.
That is why we want, only simple life.
We not interested in development
We not interested in western way of life
We don?t want any more colonization of our people.
We don?t want your civilization
Just leave us alone!
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I think everybody has the right to their land free from colonization. I would not consider walking around naked, and growing your children in such an environment really that condusive or healthy. I have never been there, so I don't know what their life is really like. But me and nature do not get along. Who would really want to live like that?
Well of course they do, and they have all the right to. In fact, I have devloped designs on how the entire planet could be nothing but pure nature with pockets of megacities for human living scattered in different areas. Those who choose to live in tribal anarchy as keepers of the forest away from the mondess have all the blessings of a real First World civilization.
As long as they are protecting eachothers rights, and living in health and harmony, I see no problem.
1. What about kids? Should they not have good facilities and high standard education of human development?
2. I find it hard to swallow that people actually like living like that. Without the proper technology, how can they take care of themselves properly, and how can they learn more about the sciences. Math, chemistry, physics, biology, reading/writing, etc.?
This is pretty interesting:
Papuan women are capable resource managers and protectors of the environment.
http://westpapuaaction.buz.org/women-of-west-papua.htm
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There are lots of instances of these situations going on in that part of the world. It happened in the United States, and it is happening everywhere.
This too.
My name is Benny Wenda, and I am a West Papuan tribal leader. My village was bombed by Indonesia when I was a child and many of my family were killed. Later, I began to campaign peacefully to free my people. For this 'crime' I was arrested, tortured and threatened with death.
I managed to escape to Britain, where I now live in exile. But many of my people have not been so lucky. All we are asking for is the freedoms that you enjoy every day - the freedom to speak your mind, to live without fear and to choose your own government.
Papuan women are capable resource managers and protectors of the environment.
http://westpapuaaction.buz.org/women-of-west-papua.htm
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There are lots of instances of these situations going on in that part of the world. It happened in the United States, and it is happening everywhere.
This too.
My name is Benny Wenda, and I am a West Papuan tribal leader. My village was bombed by Indonesia when I was a child and many of my family were killed. Later, I began to campaign peacefully to free my people. For this 'crime' I was arrested, tortured and threatened with death.
I managed to escape to Britain, where I now live in exile. But many of my people have not been so lucky. All we are asking for is the freedoms that you enjoy every day - the freedom to speak your mind, to live without fear and to choose your own government.
Roman:
I think some people on this thread need to read the 'V for Vendetta' comic series. Then they would be able to distinguish between 'anarchy' and 'chaos'.
You're an idiot.
I think some people on this thread need to read the 'V for Vendetta' comic series. Then they would be able to distinguish between 'anarchy' and 'chaos'.
Indeed...
Why would they do that?Jeff 152 said:
Here's an interesting definition of anarchy:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=anarchy
"1. From the political left, anarchy is a state of complete freedom characterized by unity, peace and equality all in the absense of a governing force.
2. From the politcal right, anarchy is a state of complete chaos and disorder. Anarcho-capitalism is an example of right-winged anarchy.
3. Politics: A radical form of direct democracy
1. Some people believe that anarchy could work.
2. Street punks believe in right-winged anarchy (chaos)
3. Depsite being an alleged lack of authority, some anarchists believe in anarchy as direct democracy."
Very well put.
Here's another:
"Main Entry: an·ar·chy
Pronunciation: 'a-n&r-kE, -"när-
Function: noun
Etymology: Medieval Latin anarchia, from Greek, from anarchos having no ruler, from an- + archos ruler -- more at ARCH-
1 a : absence of government b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority c : a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government
2 a : absence or denial of any authority or established order b : absence of order : DISORDER <not manicured plots but a wild anarchy of nature -- Israel Shenker>
3 : ANARCHISM "
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/anarchy
And...
http://lyberty.com/dict/anarchy.htm
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=anarchy
"1. From the political left, anarchy is a state of complete freedom characterized by unity, peace and equality all in the absense of a governing force.
2. From the politcal right, anarchy is a state of complete chaos and disorder. Anarcho-capitalism is an example of right-winged anarchy.
3. Politics: A radical form of direct democracy
1. Some people believe that anarchy could work.
2. Street punks believe in right-winged anarchy (chaos)
3. Depsite being an alleged lack of authority, some anarchists believe in anarchy as direct democracy."
Very well put.
Here's another:
"Main Entry: an·ar·chy
Pronunciation: 'a-n&r-kE, -"när-
Function: noun
Etymology: Medieval Latin anarchia, from Greek, from anarchos having no ruler, from an- + archos ruler -- more at ARCH-
1 a : absence of government b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority c : a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government
2 a : absence or denial of any authority or established order b : absence of order : DISORDER <not manicured plots but a wild anarchy of nature -- Israel Shenker>
3 : ANARCHISM "
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/anarchy
And...
http://lyberty.com/dict/anarchy.htm
mountainhare said:
I'm the idiot? So now we're basing economics off of comic books. Fantastic.
I'm not the one that believes people will behave decently without government, without an incentive not to take what they want.
In other words, I'm the only person here who believes that will people will behave like people, and need promise of force to keep them behaving.
Do you have any idea of the shit I would do if there were no cops? The number of people my friends would end up brutalizing. It's fucking appalling, really. But then, we'd have to kill in such a society, wouldn't we?
All you fools are doing is spewing misled ideology. Nothing with no basis in reality. I wish I could find an online resource of anthropolgists documenting the myth that is the peaceful native.
Take those Papua New Guneans in the link. Head hunters, before the Colonials put an end to it. One piddling tribe murderizing the other tribe down the river. Real peaceful. Real secure.
Roman said:
We still do these things between tribes. The tribes just got bigger.
Not only can we kill many miles away, we can see the killing at our homes many more miles away.
Roman:
My mention of 'V for Vendetta' was tongue in cheek. Although V does do a good job at differentiating between 'chaos' and 'anarchy'.
Anarchism is true democracy. The democracies in the Western World at present are mere facades... attempts to generate the illusion that the rule of the bourgeois is legitimate.
If a king is chosen to rule by God, then his rule MUST be legitimate.
If the bourgeois are chosen to rule by 'democracy', then their rule MUST be legitimate.
Right?
No, I'm basing my definition of 'anarchy' on the statements of scholars who support a system of anarchy.
My mention of 'V for Vendetta' was tongue in cheek. Although V does do a good job at differentiating between 'chaos' and 'anarchy'.
Since when did an absence of a ruling body mean an absence of a legal framework? How one would go about establishing a legal framework, and enforcing it, is a controversial issue in anarchism. However, anarchism does not necessarily imply an ABSENCE of laws. Merely an absence of coercion by a ruling, elitist body.
Anarchism is true democracy. The democracies in the Western World at present are mere facades... attempts to generate the illusion that the rule of the bourgeois is legitimate.
If a king is chosen to rule by God, then his rule MUST be legitimate.
If the bourgeois are chosen to rule by 'democracy', then their rule MUST be legitimate.
Right?
Straw man.
Are you and your friends suicidal? Don't you understand that when the community sees you and your friends as a threat, they will all turn against you?
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mountainhare said:
No, anarchy is obviously a society without laws! The moment you enact laws or restrictions, you become some other type of government.
Anarchy basically means that each person, each citizen, does whatever the fuck he wants short of harming the others. The very moment you enact some law or rule, then you obvious must be ready and willing to enforce it. If not, then why bother enacting it? And if you enforce it, then you've automatically stepped away from "anarchy" -- you've become something else.
mountainhare said:
Of course it's a controversy ...by enacting laws and setting up enforcement, you've changed the very government that you claim to have! There can be no laws or rules in an anarchy ...rules and laws automatically make it some other form of government.
Baron Max
Where did you read that?Roman said:
Even so, true democracy does not work. It may work in very small communities but it is simply impractical in the modern world. Direct democracy implies that every single person votes on every single governmental issue. So that means all the people in Georgia have to vote on whether California can build a new road. And for that matter, where does California get the money to build a road? It doesnt get it from the nonexistant government thats for sure. Do the people pool their money and build it? If so, who manages the project? or do they vote on everything? Everyone in the entire nation would have to vote, becasue if it was only people in California then you have set up a representative democracy, else California would have to become its own independent democracy. Then, as local isssues arose, States would separate from naions, communities would separate from states, and so on until everyone was living eitehr alone or in familial tribes.
Direct democracy does not work. It leads to a tyranny of the majority, and its is extremely inefficient and slow in reacting to the fast pace of the modern world.