Speakpigeon
Valued Senior Member
Then your English is somewhat lacking.Motive wasn't in question, just the fact of repeated usage.
No and it's implicit in free will being a degree of freedom in the physical sense.Most people also accept that if something is effectively forced into a course of action, one is not free. Most people would accept that if something has only one option ahead of it, it is not free. Do you dispute either of these notions?
Forced by what? I have free will whenever I can do what I want to.
"Common understanding" that's not signalled in common dictionaries?!No one is making up definitions, just applying different notions that already exist in common understanding. But if you see having only one option available to you as being free, by all means dismiss the argument on that basis.
As I said, I respond to your post. I don't respond to links since no one there will be available to justify their positions.Then I guess you should also look at the link that Baldee provided to QQ above.
Not a good sign, that.You'll do as you do.
I debate post on the face of them. It's up to you to express your ideas properly.If you can't debate posts in their rightful context, I probably will.
It's implicit in your notion that things, and people, can only do as they "must".Where have I suggested otherwise?
I think I just explained what they mean to me and "must" doesn't figure in there.So scientific laws mean nothing to you? That figures, I guess.
Maybe you could try to explain where science comes up with a rational concept of "must"?
I think determinism is an irrational metaphysical view. Something like having your cake and eat it. Just tell me what's the rationale for determinism.So you disagree with the concept of determinism, then? Or perhaps you think that randomness within a probabilistic function allows for something to have the freedom to do otherwise? I'm just trying to narrow down your actual objection rather than bluster you've offered so far.
If it has a degree of freedom in the physical and scientific sense then it's free, to a degree. What's wrong with this view?So you think that if something has only one option ahead of it, can always only ever take a certain course, then it is free? Okay. We differ on that.
There's really just one way to be free and that's how people ordinarily understand the idea. You're free to dismiss this as not "actually free" but that will be at the cost of having to make up a notion of freedom that's both irrational and metaphysical.As am I, but without the assumption that it is anything more than a feeling of being free as opposed to actually being free.
Remember:
Please provide a dictionary definition.
Forced by what?
Please explain where science comes up with a rational concept of "must"?
Please tell me what's the rationale for determinism.
What's wrong with the view that free will is a degree of freedom in the physical sense used in science.
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