True
but more importantly;
even duration is based on the interaction ; the interaction , atomic and sub-atomic dynamics between things.
Does time exist?
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but more importantly;
even duration is based on the interaction ; the interaction , atomic and sub-atomic dynamics between things.
As I agree with this we probably just mis-understood each other - you were not saying time was objective were you? Despite stating in post 58:
" time exists objectively because the subject does not invent the measures."
In my post 59, I said I did not understand the qoute I just made from post 58. Again, please try to state that so it is clear. What does "invent measures" have to do with the question of time being or not "objective" ?
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Time is a logical idea (measurement) that exists independently of the subject. The subject thinks time but does not create time. Time is like numbers and geometric figures.
I agree with this too; but no idea is an objective object as you stated in post 58. Certainly some subjective ideas, are very common, not unique to any person's subjective mind. Your integer number concepts are a good example, but they are still ideas, not objective items.
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Our viewpoints are different.
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Maybe, but clocks have an oscillator circuit (real) which generates a recurring event that is transmitted to the hands or digits. In addition, clocks are synchronized with the movements of the Earth to display the time.
Do you not know the moon has a ~28 day oscillation and displays not with hands or digits but with phases? Likewise the Earth's 24 hour oscillation with sun or stars as a moving display of the time? They are the original "re-occurring event" clocks.
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THE PHILOCHRON CAUSALITY
In general, causality is the relation between a cause and its effect. The law of causality has two forms: a primary and a secondary. In the primary form the identity of beings do act them a certain way. The cause is the nature of beings and the effect is the action of beings. In the secondary form of the law of causality we refer that the event A produces the event B. For example: the fire that destroyed a wooden house, the rise of temperature that melts the ice, reading that allows us to learn new knowledge, etc.
Time is an example of the elementary form of the law of causality. The identity of time, becoming (cause), produces the duration (effect). Becoming is the inherent property of matter and bodies to experience sequential changes. The duration is the increase of existence of things. Both, becoming and duration make a duality which is called time. For example, in a video the sound and the sequential images are becoming. The progress bar represents the duration. The timer indicates the elapsed time.
The identity or function of modern watches is to produce a continuous periodic event (tic-tac), its effect is measures time. In the case of sundials, their identity is to produce a shadow that shows the inclination of the Sun relative to a location on Earth. The identity of hourglasses is to allow pass small amounts of sand from a vial to another. The effect of all watches is measures time.
PS: The primary form of the law of causality is a consequence of the law of identity.
Elvis Sibilia
In general, causality is the relation between a cause and its effect. The law of causality has two forms: a primary and a secondary. In the primary form the identity of beings do act them a certain way. The cause is the nature of beings and the effect is the action of beings. In the secondary form of the law of causality we refer that the event A produces the event B. For example: the fire that destroyed a wooden house, the rise of temperature that melts the ice, reading that allows us to learn new knowledge, etc.
Time is an example of the elementary form of the law of causality. The identity of time, becoming (cause), produces the duration (effect). Becoming is the inherent property of matter and bodies to experience sequential changes. The duration is the increase of existence of things. Both, becoming and duration make a duality which is called time. For example, in a video the sound and the sequential images are becoming. The progress bar represents the duration. The timer indicates the elapsed time.
The identity or function of modern watches is to produce a continuous periodic event (tic-tac), its effect is measures time. In the case of sundials, their identity is to produce a shadow that shows the inclination of the Sun relative to a location on Earth. The identity of hourglasses is to allow pass small amounts of sand from a vial to another. The effect of all watches is measures time.
PS: The primary form of the law of causality is a consequence of the law of identity.
Elvis Sibilia
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THE TIME STRAIGHT LINE
In Geometry, a straight line is a line with no curvature; a line with constant direction.
The time straight line or philochron line is continuously making itself for sequential moments. In the philochron line there is a dot at a time on a constant becoming. This line has the particularity that it is abstract and objective, like all mathematical entities. This line is objective because we leave from the experience to relate two sequential moments and then set those ideas at every interval through a process of abstraction. The subject does not create the philochron line (time), just support it.
Time is the ordered series of events that allows to set a past, a present and a future. The present or the now (becoming) move away continuously with respect to a reference moment (RM) in the past (duration).
.... RM ............. sense and fluidity
-----I------------------------>> ---------------------- (philochron line)
............. past ......... present ...... future
In Geometry, a straight line is a line with no curvature; a line with constant direction.
The time straight line or philochron line is continuously making itself for sequential moments. In the philochron line there is a dot at a time on a constant becoming. This line has the particularity that it is abstract and objective, like all mathematical entities. This line is objective because we leave from the experience to relate two sequential moments and then set those ideas at every interval through a process of abstraction. The subject does not create the philochron line (time), just support it.
Time is the ordered series of events that allows to set a past, a present and a future. The present or the now (becoming) move away continuously with respect to a reference moment (RM) in the past (duration).
.... RM ............. sense and fluidity
-----I------------------------>> ---------------------- (philochron line)
............. past ......... present ...... future
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That makes sense. Also, the Philochron causality seems consistent with rational thinking. My question is, if your philochron line and mine are compared, does time pass at the same rate for both of us?
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The philochron line does not consider the rate of time although it is affected by the speed and gravity. For you and me time passes at the same rate.
Depends. Are you talking about relativistic or absolute time?
In the CTMU, conspansion is described as the appearance of an expanding one-way universe from our materialist perspective, while, the universe appears to contract from the cosmic perspective.
Well you missed my point; on Post #74
Light is as real as space. Both evolved from what we know as the BB.
Using the simplest Occam's razor explanation, if we had no time, everything would happen together.
If we had no space, everything would be together.
In fact since everything, all matter/energy evolved from spacetime, if we had no spacetime, we would have nothing.
If we had no time everything would happen together ; has got to be one of the dumbest thoughts of all time. It is just plain stupid thinking.
Not in the least.....Although I certainly understand your reactions to any logic on this forum from past experiences with you. You know, your beliefs in ghosts, goblins, giants, UFO's of Alien origins etc etc.
Not in the least.....Although I certainly understand your reactions to any logic on this forum from past experiences with you. You know, your beliefs in ghosts, goblins, giants, UFO's of Alien origins etc etc.
Your insults don't detract me from the stupidity of this thinking.
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