Errors in the Bible ?

Xelasnave.1947 said:
Hi Tim
You are probably on the right track.

I do not understand why the bible is used today.

We live in different times so why should folk of this age look to those ancient verses as relevant today.
Clearly many propositions in the bible are, by todays views and aquired knowledge, incorrect and yet there are those who defend it as being an unquestionable authority for today.

It seems strange why they do yet they do.

The bible was written by folk who were by todays standards ignorant about so many things yet their interpretations are still respected even when shown to be incorrect.



Alex
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This is the whole bible about :

Love thay God with all your heart and with whole your strength . Don't make yourself any image of God and what is in the heavens.
And Love your fellow man as yourself .
All our daily activity should be based on does 2 commandment ,
If you can do that without any comparison examples , you don't need to read the bible ,
If you do any thing that does not agree , your conscience or spirit will judge you ,and you need to correct your action.
 
Ted Grant II said:
Some people, possessed by evil spirits, think there are errors in the Holy Bible.
Huh ! This is not possible, as it is the Word of God and therefore is perfect and without error of any kind.
How do we know it is the Word of God ? Because it says so in the Bible (duh!).

You may think you've found one or two errors, but you'd be wrong - obviously !!
And it's easy to prove !!!
Let's take a couple of hypothetical cases to illustrate the method to adopt,
then we'll take a couple of real examples, then move to the general case (like in mathematics !).

For example, suppose the Bible said Black is White and Black is Black.
It looks like a contradiction, but only because you don't know everything !
You see, there is no PURE black, anywhere ! There's always a bit of white !!
So now the contradiction disappears!!!

Another example: suppose the Bible said 1 plus 1 is 5.
Again, to the wicked person, it seems to be an error.
But that person would be sadly mistaken.
You see the first 1 refers to one family of 3 people
The second 1 refers to a family of 2 people.
3+2 = 5
Again, no error!!!!

Suppose the Bible says that the father of Joseph is Jacob in one verse,
but in another, it says his father is Heli, it seems to be a contradiction !
(Non-believers leap on this example with glee, but are easily corrected!!!!!)
But is isn't, because all we have to claim is that when it says Joseph,
which it clearly does, we say that it's really Mary !
How come? Well in those days, women were unimportant and were always
represented by their husbands. So If you met Mary in the street, you would
call her Joseph, because by marriage, she becomes him in the eyes of God,
therefore the father of Joseph is Heli by proxy. Again no error.

Everybody knows that Jesus said Love your enemies (good). In a little known passage
in Luke chapter 14, Jesus said you must hate your family (bad). This, on the face of it
makes Jesus look like a crazy person. In fact, all it requires is a little interpretation.
You see, with the right interpretation, anything can be fixed. Here's how....
When he said Love your enemies, what he meant was, try to negotiate with them before
going to war and when he said Hate your family, what he meant was you should love
Jesus more than your family ! See, it all makes perfect sense now.
All you have to do is think, what would make Jesus look good !
After all, he is the living God, so he must be good - right!?

And now (general case) we can see that where ever there appears to be an error,
all we have to do is THINK how to get around it. There's always a way !!!!

This, at first, may seem hard stuff, you know, thinking etc., but fear not,
(as the Angel Michael once said), we Christians have been working on this for 2000 years or more.
All the errors have been examined and clever people have constructed answers for ALL the so-called errors.
There are gallons of answers on the "Line", all you need to do is search !

Actually, you don't need to search, just have faith that the hard work has been done.
Have a rest.
Trust in the Lord.
Remember he loves you.
And his Son died in your place.
That's real love.
Donate.
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Just when I thought Cowpat couldn't get any higher along comes a post to prove me wrong

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timojin said:
This is the whole bible about :

Love thay God with all your heart and with whole your strength . Don't make yourself any image of God and what is in the heavens.
And Love your fellow man as yourself .
All our daily activity should be based on does 2 commandment ,
If you can do that without any comparison examples , you don't need to read the bible ,
If you do any thing that does not agree , your conscience or spirit will judge you ,and you need to correct your action.
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Thank you for your post.
I can understand there are things in the bible one can use to guide one to good behaviour.
This does not cause the mistakes to go away however. I find the pick and choose approach to the bible the only way to salvage anything reallyhowever again such an approach does not cause the mistakes to go away.
I started a thread asking should the bible be edited and I think and edit would be a good thing to do in order to present something credible.
Again thank you for your input I like the way you are prepared to comment.
Alex
 
spidergoat said:
Is slavery moral?
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Not by today's standards, but then we have improved a lot since Biblical times. We don't stone brides to death if they are not virgins. In the UK, we have improved our morals so much, we don't hang murderers nor imprison homosexuals. However, in some deeply religious counties, women who wear trousers may be legally whipped in public and they are not allowed to drive for some odd reason, even though women are known to be better drivers than men. Given that most criminals are men, I can't understand why some men think that men make better priests.
 
spidergoat said:
The Bible is full of factual errors.
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Historians and others who have made it their business to check the Bible against other sources, have found evidence that some of the events reported probably occurred. However, in the case of the famous big stories, such as the exodus, the virgin birth and the resurrection are either unsupported by independent sources or are contrary to current scientific knowledge and principles. Much of the Bible contains mythical stories, but I wouldn't claim it to be "full of errors". It's strange that some Popes have claimed to be infallible, yet others, have apologized for "errors", especially for the treatment of scientists in the past and children in our time.

Bertrand Russell said, "It is not a virtue to tell lies to small children", but they still do it.
 
[QUOTE="Ted Grant II, post: 3454049, member: 285383"... ]we have improved a lot since Biblical times.[/QUOTE]
If you grant that our morality is better than Biblical morality, why do you care whether there are errors in the Bible?
 
Ted Grant II said:
It's strange that some Popes have claimed to be infallibl
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I understand the infallibility pertains to matters of the spirit only

Science pertains to the real world

Hence if popes (or in my opinion religion in general) make

' god did it, he works in mysterious ways '

type pronouncements or the classic

' Earth is the centre of the Universe and the Sun revolves around it '

such pronouncements show deep ignorance of not only Science but indicate

a desperate attempt to hold onto the view that the religion is the font of ALL knowledge and wisdom

A ' just spirit be damned we chat with god who made the world so we KNOW about the real world as well ' attitude

Sorry you don't please go away

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How long it have taken to come with our present standard ? Englishe were the biggest pirate and robbers in the 1500 exploded any society they could , traded human from Africa . assorted the Spanish ships, Look at your king because he was not satisfied with one woman , he broke away from the Roman church , that is your English morality at that time.
The bible was translated but Your king was not satisfied so he produced a King James version.
Do yourself a favor don't equate present times with the past .
 
Ted Grant II said:
Historians and others who have made it their business to check the Bible against other sources, have found evidence that some of the events reported probably occurred. However, in the case of the famous big stories, such as the exodus, the virgin birth and the resurrection are either unsupported by independent sources or are contrary to current scientific knowledge and principles. Much of the Bible contains mythical stories, but I wouldn't claim it to be "full of errors". It's strange that some Popes have claimed to be infallible, yet others, have apologized for "errors", especially for the treatment of scientists in the past and children in our time.

Bertrand Russell said, "It is not a virtue to tell lies to small children", but they still do it.
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That's what I'm talking about, things contrary to current knowledge that a god would know. Like the mustard seed isn't the smallest seed, and the Earth isn't flat. If we treated the Bible as a book of outdated morality tales, loosely based on real places, I would be fine with that.
 
believe in Christ Jesus and you will be saved and your household. there's no amount of goodworks that can save you. in fact if you try to justify yourself by your good works. you have fallen from grace. if you believe that, you have to stop sinning in other to be saved, that means you are not saved. because you will sin till you die. believe Christ Jesus for Your justification and you will be saved
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this is a quote by a christian. this is what they believe, everyone wording it a bit different but the concept is the same. the religion has no concept of personal responsibility. scapegoating and parasitic and pass the buck system. anything is forgiven and salvation does not have to be earned. now, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out this is a breeding ground for horseshit and abuse. if i were god and i said you can do anytbing and be forgiven and all you have to do is just acknowledge my existence to move on up the ladder, what kind of ethics is that? that you do not even have to earn it?
 
birch said:
this is a quote by a christian. this is what they believe, everyone wording it a bit different but the concept is the same. the religion has no concept of personal responsibility. scapegoating and parasitic and pass the buck system. anything is forgiven and salvation does not have to be earned. now, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out this is a breeding ground for horseshit and abuse. if i were god and i said you can do anytbing and be forgiven and all you have to do is just acknowledge my existence to move on up the ladder, what kind of ethics is that? that you do not even have to earn it?
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You have to ask your friend or whoever is . What does means been born again ?
 
timojin said:
I know you ar funny. There was a funny man like you called Nicodemus a pharisee during Yeshua's time with same humor, so remember you joke is 2000 years late.
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Yes I met him

Just thought I'd tell it again in his memory

:)
 
Ted Grant II said:
Historians and others who have made it their business to check the Bible against other sources, have found evidence that some of the events reported probably occurred. However, in the case of the famous big stories, such as the exodus, the virgin birth and the resurrection are either unsupported by independent sources or are contrary to current scientific knowledge and principles. Much of the Bible contains mythical stories, but I wouldn't claim it to be "full of errors". It's strange that some Popes have claimed to be infallible, yet others, have apologized for "errors", especially for the treatment of scientists in the past and children in our time.

Bertrand Russell said, "It is not a virtue to tell lies to small children", but they still do it.
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Just to correct one small misconception, popes do not in general claim to be infallible.

The rather absurd doctrine of papal infallibility was officially adopted only in the mid c.19th and was only said to pertain to situations:-
"when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church.", what is known as an ex cathedra pronouncement.

Most popes since then have been very careful not to make such such pronouncements - one exception being the utterly unnecessary and implausible doctrine of the Assumption of the Virgin. :rolleyes:
 
what makes religion dangerous or unethical isn't because it goes against nature but precisely because it does. it can be used to gain power and oppress and it can work.

if god is the creator and perfect, then everything that occurs is supposed to be, right? no different from scientists and darwinists. there is nothing ethically different in reasoning really. religious folk use the same argument when it benefits them too. this has a way of condoning anything and everything. what i've found about the ones who use religion for their benefit instead of being on the end of oppression is they don't play by these rules. they take power and tell others 'it's god's will.' must be, right? it's all for a higher purpose etc. yeah and that higher purpose really means someone else is getting over on you, used you or you are supposed to humbly accept it, basically. whether they wrap it in religion or not, it's all the same. otherwise, why do people do what they do? there are so many different ways religion can be used to justify a phenomenon but it can also be used to prevent. it all depends on who has the upperhand at the moment and what they are about and what their agenda is.
 
birch said:
this is a quote by a christian. this is what they believe, everyone wording it a bit different but the concept is the same. the religion has no concept of personal responsibility. scapegoating and parasitic and pass the buck system. anything is forgiven and salvation does not have to be earned. now, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out this is a breeding ground for horseshit and abuse. if i were god and i said you can do anytbing and be forgiven and all you have to do is just acknowledge my existence to move on up the ladder, what kind of ethics is that? that you do not even have to earn it?
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This is a very specific extreme Protestant view - probably from somewhere in the US Bible Belt. If you were to ask a Catholic or Orthodox Christian you would not get this answer. The utility of good works is one of the big dividing lines in theology.
 
exchemist said:
This is a very specific extreme Protestant view - probably from somewhere in the US Bible Belt. If you were to ask a Catholic or Orthodox Christian you would not get this answer. The utility of good works is one of the big dividing lines in theology.
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but indeed, one does not have to earn it. one can succeed by not playing by idealistic rules. and if god is the creator, then those results must be justified, right? the thing is con-artists know this.

i've come to a point to realize religion is not the only thing that is dangerous, the problem is nature itself and it always was. the only good thing or 'improvement' by eradicating god and religion is it's just another veil or ruse people can use to obfuscate the game and make it more deceptive.

at least in the animal kingdom, no one is deluded about an enemy just because it's cloaked in camouflage. a snake is a snake. religion is a camouflage to many and people should be keen to realize that. yes, there are good religious people who are sincere and trying to be good people but the problem lies in entitlement of reputation and that's how the camouflage works best. the pretense and assumption. it tends to arrest people's defenses or it's expected people should. someone claiming they are religious should not be given much weight anymore than they are a member of a lodge or country club. they have a right to and it shouldn't be oppressed but they also shouldn't be put on a righteous pedestal either based on an assumption of good ethics. it should just be viewed as a personal inclination, not a representation of their moral character because it's all individual.
 
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