Is this person being racists?
Everyday racism
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The only blissful ignorance is on your part matey.
All you need do is show me any post with me reflecting racism.
Ahh yes little miss perfect, much like Schmelzer...Both of you are so quick to point out adhoms, except when either of you use them.
Your pivot to personal attacks was marked several pages ago. Now your language is starting to fall apart - you've seen this happen to a couple of other posters who took your route, no? It will get worse, if you don't catch yourself.
"Notice" ? Can't be done. Maybe someone could notice the absence of relevant quotes or other noticeable stuff in your posts - that is typical of this stage of erosion; the degradation of vocabulary, grammar, and syntax also show up around now ("racial tendencies", "evidence of where", "philosophical claptrap" - the words there don't actually mean anything).
Think a minute, Paddo me boyo: If I were to waste enough time to figure out what you are talking about when you type the words "racial tendencies", is there any reason I would bother locating "where" you have "shown" them? Am I supposed to be keeping track of them?
I've got trouble enough stepping on that emerging US rightwingauthoritariancorporatemediafeed meme of the suddenly
vanished racism - we've actually got an influential and loudly repetitive faction in the US trying to market the claim that racism in America is a thing of the past - that the remnants of it that still "occasionally" show up have no significant effects on black, brown, or red people in the US. Yeah, that's startlingly idiotic - but there's big money backing its repetition, and it can do serious harm.
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Nope. I would need to do a lot more than that, and of course different from that ("reflecting racism"? say what? ).
Probably you mean yet another example of you talking and and reasoning like the typical racists I and all Americans live among - which was my observation, not that confused stuff you are ascribing to me.
Already posted quite a few, and pointed them out to you as I did - I recall a striking one you can revisit: your claim that standard Republican Trump and his huge popular voting base was some kind of "extreme" politician, especially in being uncommonly racist (see post 122). And of course there's your continuing agreement and comfortable exchanges with the posters here who claim racism has largely vanished from American life. Not recognizing blatant racism when it's in your face is definitive, in the US - I'm not sure how much allowance to grant a foreigner, but given your immediate turn to personal attack after my initial posts (another near-definitive characteristic) I'm thinking you're not that different from your pals in my town, and the US implications of your language and claims do apply.
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Do you have something you want to say?
Xelasnave.1947
Valued Senior Member
Hi Ice..help me out here..are you saying Pado is both racist and sexist? Or just sexist? Or just racist?
Do you think malice is relevant in these matters?
Merry Christmas.
Alex
You said nothing. Posted a video of some guy in a crowd, and an apparently irrelevant question, in a thread about everyday racism.
It looked like it was meant as a charade, something people could entertain themselves or ingratiate themselves by guessing, but in the past you have complained about people making those kinds of assumptions. Are you waiving that complaint? If not, communication by way of declarative sentences and the like would allow responses free of assumption.
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None of the above, as far as I can tell.
Try quoting me, when attempting to address what I am "saying". That way I have some kind of a clue as to what you are talking about.
If it's present, as in some of the Tribal personal attacks on me here, it's sometimes relevant, sure.
If it isn't present, what would be its relevance?
In the US even the most virulent racists quite often hide behind claims of personal good will, benevolence, and humor - claims which are usually accurate: they usually are in fact Americans of normal good will and benevolence and senses of humor.
That's what the BLM protests are about. Virulent racism, with and without "malice", is an American norm. It's everyday stuff.
Xelasnave.1947
Valued Senior Member
I will try and be clear.
Do you think Paddo is both Racist and sexist or just sexist or just racist.
Thank you for your post. I can see how all aspects need to be addressed for sure... however on the positive you have come a long way from the good old days of separate facilities...hard to imagine that was within my lifetime.
And over here it's better , I hope, at least Aboriginal people are given respectful recognition, but there are many Australians who are racist...many don't like Indians probably because they seem to be on the phone trying to scam...many don't like Chinese who from my experience are wonderful people. I find it upsetting the anti China propaganda that the USA is generating , they are having a terrible time over there poor buggers have been dealing with extreme flooding which never makes the news...I think the problem must come from thousands of years of tribal living really, you know it's something programmed into so many humans...so many must be in a group ..I am sure that's the driving force behind belonging to a religious group.....and I do think sport only perpetuates this tribal thing..like you see very strong feelings between supporters of different teams so I can imagine that having a carry over into race and of course religion...
I feel positive as I have seen real change in my time..once there was no awareness.
When I was very young..Catholics and protestants were world's apart...if you came from Greece or Italy you were a wog...I made the kids welcome..the others called them names and picked on them...there was this poor kid from Germany..you can imagine how it was for him ( not long after second world war) until I backed him up, next a Maltese kid, a wog ...again they backed off when he had back up..next an Italian kid from the North had blond hair and that confused them as wogs only had black hair..my best friend for a couple of years was Chinese....anyways I have practiced what others preach and have done so since the age of five...you know one thing that needs to go ..all the different schools..Catholic schools church of England schools..just think of the negative effect on society...
Alex
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Bells
Staff member
Because you simply have such little respect for others and how they could be feeling.PS: Whatever makes you happy, you keep believing, I'm not really that concerned.
In the mean time I'll keep acting as I do...an average non racist, non sexist Aussie, that interacts with people of the same attitude, both male and female, young and old... not with standing your "could be's" "may be's" "perhap's" and any other disgusting thoughts you see the need to dream up.
Take it easy!
I mean, I guess you are living up to the stereotype of a historical Australian, who cared so little about what others felt or wanted that they were determined to simply carry on in just taking what they wanted.
I live a very old and established suburb, have been here for close to 20 years, others for generations. No one here speaks as you do. The news agent, who I have known for as long as I have lived here calls me "lovely bubbly", because I once helped her with a legal matter and then bought her a bottle of bubbly when it was settled. I refer to her by her name, Mrs [ ]. As does everyone who lives here.
I never hear "luv, pet, maaaate, etc" towards the people doing their jobs. Instead, people refer to them by name is they are wearing a name tag, or Sir or Miss, etc. I guess they have better manners.
So no, how you speak is not the norm. You just choose to ignore people's feelings or if you make them uncomfortable.
Xelasnave.1947
Valued Senior Member
We are lucky in Australia only the criminals have guns so there is nothing to worry about as they only use them for work...aside from the various drive by shootings...
Merry Christmas
Alex
Xelasnave.1947
Valued Senior Member
I reply to wish you a Merry Christmas but must say old established suburbs are hardly to norm these days.
Have a lovely day and just think about the good times ...thats what I am doing.
Alex
No.
I don't think about the posters much at all, aside from the posting identities. Too much work, not enough reliable info, not on the agenda, not necessary - and surrounded by continual reminders, through being targeted, of how foolish posting in such ignorance can make somebody look.
For an American, the key concept in the thread rides on the word "everyday". An American - especially a white male American - has to overcome certain handicaps to think usefully about everyday racism. As far as I know that requires conscious effort. Imagine a pelagic squid trying to think about everyday wetness. Of course the modern muller also has resources unimaginable in ages past, but new stuff like that takes time to assimilate: e.g. even after forty years of regular exposure to news from distant places we see that the screen images of some people routinely having to stand in line for hours to vote while others routinely zip in and out in a few minutes have not informed, not even registered with, the majority of white American men. And for that majority if statistics are involved the lesson is lost before it begins.
Item: In 2016 more than sixty thousand voters who lived in regions of Wisconsin harboring concentrations of racially black Americans stood in long lines for long times - hours, often, outdoors without restrooms or shelter - to vote in the November elections; and then cast no vote for President.
They stood in line like that to vote for State rep, local mayors, other offices on the ballot, but not President.
This did not happen in Wisconsin regions harboring unusually high concentrations of white people - the long lines outdoors in the weather, the long waiting times to vote, the ballots without a vote for President, were not common in the disproportionately white regions.
And similar situations were common throughout the US, as Trump noticed: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/don...ines-evidence-rigged-system/story?id=43332509
That was on top of the effects of the new voter ID laws and registration rules, which came in on top of the new redistricting (all this promoted by the Republican Party, and made possible by some decisions of the newly Republican Supreme Court - which had recently declared that racism was no longer a factor in these matters. https://newrepublic.com/article/145387/underplayed-story-2016-election-voter-suppression
So you see the context of these posts here, in which Americans declare that racism is a thing of the past in America.
Xelasnave.1947
Valued Senior Member
That is not good.
I don't know why voting isn't compulsorý..if nothing else you could not make excuses about folk waiting on the basis that you did not expect so many coming out. I can see the opportunity for manipulation.
I expect if they voted Republican voting would be made easier?
Anyways if all you say if the norm that is just terrible.
It's a bit deeper than name calling.
Alex
If you are that touchy to personal attacks, I would suggest that you cease with them yourself. Schmelzer always had that problem also.
Schmelzer
Valued Senior Member
7% of the protests being violent is a lot.
Don't forget, 1 protest is not really a protest, it will be ignored. Seriously talking about protests in some town you will start if they happen regularly over some time. Now imagine you live in an area with daily protests over one month. That means, by those statistics, two lootings. Would you name that peaceful? I doubt. What matters for the people living there is how many places of protests were looted at least once over the time.
No Bells, simply wrong. I have respect for all, until they show reason why I should withdraw that respect, as has happened in this forum on a couple of occasions.
What stereotype Aussie is that Bells?
My parents who rented a unit, and did not have either a car or a phone, went to the expense of sending me to a Catholic school.
I achieved my Intermediate certificate, got an apprenticeship in Fitting and Machining, got my first car, became a union Delo, member of the ALP, did some travelling on a square rigged Barquentine, got married, had a kid, sent him to a Catholic school also, bought a home/house and a succession of cars of all shapes and sizes, built a little house in Fiji, built my mancave, actively participate in community help schemes, sponsor two children through world vision, donated 76 pints of blood in my time, regularly contribute to two charities I have chosen, and now am personally comfortably well off and happy.
Is that the stereotypical Aussie you are thinking of? Then I'm your man Bells!!
I was raised in Paddington, Sydney, a far more older and established suburb then your own I suggest, and now live in Maroubra Sydney.
With all due respect, I doubt whether you are with them 24/7 do hear how every person they interact with talk...
Nup wrong, how I speak is the norm, just as obviously is the norm of how others speak to me, and neither them or I are oblivious to other's feelings.
In fact I could bore you [but you wouldn't give a shit] with examples of how I have shown my feelings towards other's feelings.
Hope you had a good one Bells!
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As Alex has mentioned, owning a gun in Australia is fairly rare, and is governed strictly by laws and such...much ownership are Farmers and the criminal element in our society who obviously did not hand in their weapons when the gun buy back and strict regulations came in.
Still, it is fairly low and the law enforcement agencies do appear to be getting on top of it.
The drive by shootings Alex mentions are mostly due to the wars and paybacks between rival bikie gangs, and the odd drug cartel that still exists.
Overall, Australia/Sydney are reasonably safe places.
My mention of the vociferous one, refers to the vociferous one, and my reluctance to take that any further, relates to the possibility of moderation against me by some old friends.
Do you think it is a reference to you?
Why?Some maybe ignored, perhaps most, certainly not all.
I have taken part in one protest march against a cause that was close to my heart. It achieved the results we wanted within a week.
Xelasnave.1947
Valued Senior Member
I don't like to see folk I like arguing and so I would like to make some observations.
On a planet with around seven billion humans calling anything the norm perhaps ignores millions upon millions of humans that have entirely different norms...and in thinking about that it would seem wrong to either force your norm upon these folk who hold different norms or to judge that their norms are somehow inferior to your norms.
On a more local approach...suburbs and towns although in the same country differ greatly.
In Sydney, the suburb I live in, when there, is the center of the WASP nest...although happily I have Chinese neighbours each side who are wonderful people....and I have met thousands of folk in that suburb because that is where I had my real estate business..I see them when they arrived or left and when they needed a "market appraisal " to borrow from the bank, and when atvopen houses and all the neighbours decidecto have a sticky beak...yes I probably have met 5000 or more..heck I could meet 20 new people a day...do you think that equips you with something??? Like never underestimate the wisdom of a simple shop clerk..they meet lots of people..ever thought about that?.. ... generally the people in that suburb I will say are not outgoing or friendly and would resent being called love or mate in fact reject any approaches they just do not want to be spoken to in the first place, they really keep to themselves...I talk to the cleaners at the shopping center there, everywhere actually, simply cause everyone looks down on them..elsewhere its not a big thing but there if a new guy starts the older length of time guy will come running up with a beaming smile to introduce the new guy...because I am literally the only person who treats them decent..we have talked about it..even their manager treats them like crap.....thats a nice well established suburb where people choose to live to get away from the common folk dont you know...but in Casino (a large country town with the wonderful attribute of no traffic lights...folk are outgoing and friendly and will stop and chat to complete strangers in the street...I asked a lady in the super market if she had seen any plumb puddings..no but then she wanders off looking for them and finding none we chat with each other as we are going the same way for 15 minutes...she was calling me "sweety".....Now love and mate are definitely the norm and to judge these people as sexist would simply be irrational, out of tune with their community and unrealistically judgemental and simply wrong.
There is an aboriginal guy who hangs around the shopping center and asks you for money...I always give him my change and we chat a lot...he says he needs food but I always say well dont forget to shout yourself a beer..if he wants to buy drugs I dont care thats his business and not for mecto judge..good on him for getting out and rounding up cash..one day I am in the car in the parking lot having a Maccas breakfast waiting to go to the doctors later... I did not have any change and said sorry man no cash today...I had my card but no folding Money coins etc...about twenty minutes later he comes up with two cans of baked beans and a can of soup and says.."I went home and got these for you" I explained to him I had card money etc..but he wanted me to have them but I could not take them even at the risk of offending him and said..mate I cant take your food I will be getting food after I have been to the doctors...
what I call "the camp draft set" even talk to folk..they are the owners of beef growing properties who act like English rural gentry...I know one who has 25 thousand acres...what's that at fifteen hundred an acre..maybe three grand an acre???
The folk who generally just ignore you are the young hippies or fearals I suspect because they hate the white males who invaded the country. Old hippies extremely friendly...and I don't notice any old Ferrals .
The racism towards aboriginals, as far as I notice, comes from poor folk who resent aboriginals being given stuff when they are missing out...otherwise nothing...if there is stuff coming from the government where is our share....at a social level we all interact via "jam" sessions at a local hall where say 20 musicians turn up with their guitars, or drums and play along to a 12 bar blues progression...or at pool competitions...I have never been invited to one of their parties...one of the camp draft set was a drummer in my brother in laws band..actually the singer was one also...but music brings everyone together...but again such small groups only represent a small percentage of the local population ..the rest could be devil worshippers..how would you know...so is all folk jamming happily the norm???
Because an Indian family run the little local super market and are very fair with their prices ( first time ever and we appreciate not being taken advantage of) they are very well liked...I chat for ages with the father who is my age..mostly music...I have found I got on well with the Indians I met in business I bet because I did not harbour a secret hate like the other agents, most of them, people know if you dont like them...to be honest I have found some English, new arrivals hard to take, nothing being as good as the old country and they always expected to buy acres in the city for zip money..still treating us as a convict colony I guess...but the think to realise even though I have met many more Indians than most Australians I have met only a very very small hand full...and this is the thing..folk have a bad experience with a representative of a group and then they are all bad..its like sure I have found the Christians I deal with move the goal posts..but they are only a small number so branding all of them as dishonest wluld be just wrong.
It's best to work on the particular situation before you ..it is the generalizing that causes problems..starting with white males that is it's problem..or to say something like..all Indians are... or all English are arrogant...saying all women are offended by calling them love is simply not correct and indeed in some places is indeed the norm...the danger for everyone to avoid is thinking that you know stuff and people when really you meet so few people..and all your feed back comes from like minded peple who think the same way...so a group numbering 20 of you now conclude you are right and fit to judge...no problems with that I expect...dont believe your own propaghadah maybe..realise there are seven billion humans on the planet not just your political group.
If you are a lawyer or real estate agent as I was you meet heaps of people but even though those numbers are way past the ordinary person you still only meet a very small percentage of folk...I do think it is an easy trap to fall into that of being judgemental and really so hard to realise that you are doing it...so when you start to have a go at someone it is perhaps going to help you be a better person to remember there are 7 billion humans out there and it is doubtful that you have been blessed with the ability to make all the right calls...be kind and be humble and hope others follow your good example rather than insist they do as you say.
Alex
On a planet with around seven billion humans calling anything the norm perhaps ignores millions upon millions of humans that have entirely different norms...and in thinking about that it would seem wrong to either force your norm upon these folk who hold different norms or to judge that their norms are somehow inferior to your norms.
On a more local approach...suburbs and towns although in the same country differ greatly.
In Sydney, the suburb I live in, when there, is the center of the WASP nest...although happily I have Chinese neighbours each side who are wonderful people....and I have met thousands of folk in that suburb because that is where I had my real estate business..I see them when they arrived or left and when they needed a "market appraisal " to borrow from the bank, and when atvopen houses and all the neighbours decidecto have a sticky beak...yes I probably have met 5000 or more..heck I could meet 20 new people a day...do you think that equips you with something??? Like never underestimate the wisdom of a simple shop clerk..they meet lots of people..ever thought about that?.. ... generally the people in that suburb I will say are not outgoing or friendly and would resent being called love or mate in fact reject any approaches they just do not want to be spoken to in the first place, they really keep to themselves...I talk to the cleaners at the shopping center there, everywhere actually, simply cause everyone looks down on them..elsewhere its not a big thing but there if a new guy starts the older length of time guy will come running up with a beaming smile to introduce the new guy...because I am literally the only person who treats them decent..we have talked about it..even their manager treats them like crap.....thats a nice well established suburb where people choose to live to get away from the common folk dont you know...but in Casino (a large country town with the wonderful attribute of no traffic lights...folk are outgoing and friendly and will stop and chat to complete strangers in the street...I asked a lady in the super market if she had seen any plumb puddings..no but then she wanders off looking for them and finding none we chat with each other as we are going the same way for 15 minutes...she was calling me "sweety".....Now love and mate are definitely the norm and to judge these people as sexist would simply be irrational, out of tune with their community and unrealistically judgemental and simply wrong.
There is an aboriginal guy who hangs around the shopping center and asks you for money...I always give him my change and we chat a lot...he says he needs food but I always say well dont forget to shout yourself a beer..if he wants to buy drugs I dont care thats his business and not for mecto judge..good on him for getting out and rounding up cash..one day I am in the car in the parking lot having a Maccas breakfast waiting to go to the doctors later... I did not have any change and said sorry man no cash today...I had my card but no folding Money coins etc...about twenty minutes later he comes up with two cans of baked beans and a can of soup and says.."I went home and got these for you" I explained to him I had card money etc..but he wanted me to have them but I could not take them even at the risk of offending him and said..mate I cant take your food I will be getting food after I have been to the doctors...
what I call "the camp draft set" even talk to folk..they are the owners of beef growing properties who act like English rural gentry...I know one who has 25 thousand acres...what's that at fifteen hundred an acre..maybe three grand an acre???
The folk who generally just ignore you are the young hippies or fearals I suspect because they hate the white males who invaded the country. Old hippies extremely friendly...and I don't notice any old Ferrals .
The racism towards aboriginals, as far as I notice, comes from poor folk who resent aboriginals being given stuff when they are missing out...otherwise nothing...if there is stuff coming from the government where is our share....at a social level we all interact via "jam" sessions at a local hall where say 20 musicians turn up with their guitars, or drums and play along to a 12 bar blues progression...or at pool competitions...I have never been invited to one of their parties...one of the camp draft set was a drummer in my brother in laws band..actually the singer was one also...but music brings everyone together...but again such small groups only represent a small percentage of the local population ..the rest could be devil worshippers..how would you know...so is all folk jamming happily the norm???
Because an Indian family run the little local super market and are very fair with their prices ( first time ever and we appreciate not being taken advantage of) they are very well liked...I chat for ages with the father who is my age..mostly music...I have found I got on well with the Indians I met in business I bet because I did not harbour a secret hate like the other agents, most of them, people know if you dont like them...to be honest I have found some English, new arrivals hard to take, nothing being as good as the old country and they always expected to buy acres in the city for zip money..still treating us as a convict colony I guess...but the think to realise even though I have met many more Indians than most Australians I have met only a very very small hand full...and this is the thing..folk have a bad experience with a representative of a group and then they are all bad..its like sure I have found the Christians I deal with move the goal posts..but they are only a small number so branding all of them as dishonest wluld be just wrong.
It's best to work on the particular situation before you ..it is the generalizing that causes problems..starting with white males that is it's problem..or to say something like..all Indians are... or all English are arrogant...saying all women are offended by calling them love is simply not correct and indeed in some places is indeed the norm...the danger for everyone to avoid is thinking that you know stuff and people when really you meet so few people..and all your feed back comes from like minded peple who think the same way...so a group numbering 20 of you now conclude you are right and fit to judge...no problems with that I expect...dont believe your own propaghadah maybe..realise there are seven billion humans on the planet not just your political group.
If you are a lawyer or real estate agent as I was you meet heaps of people but even though those numbers are way past the ordinary person you still only meet a very small percentage of folk...I do think it is an easy trap to fall into that of being judgemental and really so hard to realise that you are doing it...so when you start to have a go at someone it is perhaps going to help you be a better person to remember there are 7 billion humans out there and it is doubtful that you have been blessed with the ability to make all the right calls...be kind and be humble and hope others follow your good example rather than insist they do as you say.
Alex
sculptor
Valued Senior Member
As Alex has mentioned, owning a gun in Australia is fairly rare, and is governed strictly by laws and such...much ownership are Farmers and the criminal element in our society who obviously did not hand in their weapons when the gun buy back and strict regulations came in.
Still, it is fairly low and the law enforcement agencies do appear to be getting on top of it.
The drive by shootings Alex mentions are mostly due to the wars and paybacks between rival bikie gangs, and the odd drug cartel that still exists.
Overall, Australia/Sydney are reasonably safe places.
My mention of the vociferous one, refers to the vociferous one, and my reluctance to take that any further, relates to the possibility of moderation against me by some old friends.
Do you think it is a reference to you?
ok
when you posted:
As am I and as I have shown here repeatedly, particularly with a vociferous old redneck ratbag we once had frequenting the forum.
You meant the member here who goes by Vociferous---last posting sept 6
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reminds me of when my highschool girlfriend called me to say that she was late.
And, I said, that's ok, i don't mind waiting
and, she said
Sometimes, you're really dense.
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and, I preferred his earlier avatar
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