Germanwings Tragedy - Is it now all about the money?

[Quantum Quack]

billvon have a look again and tell us all what you see?

 

[Yazata]

Come on guys you can do better than this. So far you have not shot down one single speculation...

All you've done in this thread is speculate.

That's not good enough, Quack.

If you want other people to embrace your outlandish and bizarre speculations, you need to provide people with some tangible and convincing reason to believe that you are right, and the French crash investigators, the German police and the world media are all not only wrong in most of what they say, but joined in a malign conspiracy to mislead the world.

 

[Quantum Quack]

All you've done in this thread is speculate.

That's not good enough, Quack.

If you want other people to embrace your outlandish and bizarre speculations, you need to provide people with some tangible and convincing reason to believe that you are right, and the French crash investigators, the German police and the world media are all not only wrong in most of what they say, but joined in a malign conspiracy to mislead the world.

The burden of proof is not upon me Yazata, that belongs to those that make outrageous claims.

I do not care whose authority you wish to call upon. I determine according to what I observe..
Call upon authority does not wash with me at all and that is exactly what you are doing and expect me to do likewise...

 

[billvon]

billvon have a look again and tell us all what you see?

The recorder itself is completely crushed. The locator looks like it's damaged. The memory unit is dented and scraped but survived intact - which is why they were able to recover the data on the CVR. A testament to what lengths they went to design the CVR to survive crashes - and why such lengths are necessary,

 

[billvon]

The burden of proof is not upon me Yazata, that belongs to those that make outrageous claims.

You are the one making outrageous claims. The simplest explanation is generally the correct one - and it is the one you reject. You make up nebulous conspiracy theories, invent malignant misinformation campaigns by the press, claim fraud in the investigation - all without a shred of proof.

Yes, the burden of proof is upon those that make outrageous claims - you.

 

[Quantum Quack]

So we find that the CVR memory is in cased in stainless steel with high temperature insulation...
That the rest of the recorder appears to be plate steel.
Neither was pulverized...

 

[Quantum Quack]

You are the one making outrageous claims. The simplest explanation is generally the correct one - and it is the one you reject. You make up nebulous conspiracy theories, invent malignant misinformation campaigns by the press, claim fraud in the investigation - all without a shred of proof.

Yes, the burden of proof is upon those that make outrageous claims - you.

call to authority ...or do you deny this?

 

[Quantum Quack]

Provide adequate evidence and I am all ears...and eyes...

 

[Quantum Quack]

I believe history will show that the CVR as depicted is a total fraud...
Gosh guys the paint is even still on it!!!

 

[Bells]

No evidence she existed in the first place a pure fabrication that you are blindly willing to accept...
Gosh have you ever heard a cliche like:

'One day I will do something that will change the whole system, and then all will know my name and remember it"

Shakespeare would roll over in his grave... make me wanna puke every time I read it...

And yet, you have referred back to her several times in your conspiracy laden tripe in this thread.

been refuted by the prosecutors office... you need to keep up...

Who also said that many mobile phones had been recovered at the crash site and that they would be analysed.

no they haven't

Yes they have. Well, for non-conspiracy theory freak outs they have been.

Plenty of evidence of acting in many videos which one do you want me to link to?

The one you showed the screen grab for and insinuated they were the family who were not taking it seriously enough. You know, the one I asked you for twice now. Can you please provide the link to that CNN report that you provided that screen grab for?

because it is procedural and not stating it has the CVR, as a later release does regarding the FDR
Nor does it mention any of the detail that the media is apparently making use of, or didn't you notice?
Why would the BEA edit the page to remove direct reference to them having the CVR?
Do you think?

Are you suggesting they are going to analyse a CVR they do not have? Why would they say they are analysing it if they do not have it?

Really, this conspiracy theory drivel from you just keeps getting worse.

The rest of your post is undeserving of comment..( actually the first parts are too but I thought you deserved some sort of response and maybe there is hope for you yet!)

What's the matter? Do you have a problem with people pointing out the obscene and ridiculous nature of your conspiracy theories? To the point where you appear to be questioning the lack of "impact crater", as though insinuating that it didn't even happen.

We have run the full gamut of your lunacy in this thread.

Everything else is more or less pulverized, disintegrated, shredded including engines and yet here we a have a CVR more or less intact....
Uhm.. Please explain?

What did you expect it to look like after a plane crash like that? The outer casing of black boxes often look like that.

It is rather strange isn't it that it survived but hard engine parts didn't.

Because it is designed to survive such impacts.. Sometimes they are damaged beyond repair and other times data is able to extracted from what is inside the damaged casings. This is what it is designed to do.

Also in reviewing all the images of the crash site no images confirm this to be actually at or from the crash site.
Where as there are images of the FDR being extracted from the crash site. That appear to be genuine. Appears to be inside a cast iron housing, which may explain why it survived.
The CVR looks like simple plate steel construction 2-3 mill gauge I would guess, with a possibly cast iron/forged steel "closed at one end cylinder" shaped housing.

So is this CVR actually the one from the plane as reported?

Is there no end to your downright insanity?

I know this is the conspiracy theory forum, but really, this has now reached the point of being obscene.

Does any one have evidence that shows this CVR is actually genuine regarding this issue?
Are we talking about a huge media beat up?

No. Aliens planted there. Best get that tin foil hat ready. They are coming for you next. I even sent the Government details of your IP address, to let them know that you "know"...

You can feed your BS to others but the questions remain unanswered.
Most of the housing is plate steel any ways and appears to be unpulverzied.
Located near the front of the plane is my guess, and had to survive head on impact...

He is right. You are wrong.

Look up black boxes and you will see why they were designed to survive such impacts.

hee hee including the damn impregnable security door....
next lead...
any one find that damn anti explosive, high security door in the pulverized wreckage with the unburnt clothing....

That is what happens when a plane is flown into a mountain by a co-pilot. Large solid objects are often pulverised. If you have ever seen what happens when someone jumps off a tall building, you'd understand why and why their clothes often remain intact.

 

[Quantum Quack]

compare these two recovered flight recorders:

 

[billvon]

call to authority ...or do you deny this?

Call to reason, and rejection of wild, unfounded and ignorant speculation.

 

[Quantum Quack]

the above proves nothing about the crash except that media may have employed actors to support their case.

 

[Quantum Quack]

That is what happens when a plane is flown into a mountain by a co-pilot. Large solid objects are often pulverised. If you have ever seen what happens when someone jumps off a tall building, you'd understand why and why their clothes often remain intact.

true to a point but unburnt and clean of dirt/grime in a fireball is a completely different situation.

 

[Quantum Quack]

The paint is still on the CVR ... bah!

 

[billvon]

The paint is still on the CVR ... bah!

Some of it is, yes. A great deal is missing, which is exactly what you would expect after an impact of that magnitude.

 

[Bells]

the above proves nothing about the crash except that media may have employed actors to support their case.

Shame on you and those like you to use two girls who are clearly suffering to further your own conspiracy theory agenda. Those two girls are clearly devastated and the moments where they smile and laugh when recalling the good things about their friend is not abnormal. That is normal. By the end, the devastation in those girls is hard to listen to.

true to a point but unburnt and clean of dirt/grime in a fireball is a completely different situation.

Not every part of the plane always burns.

 

[Quantum Quack]

Some of it is, yes. A great deal is missing, which is exactly what you would expect after an impact of that magnitude.

uhm... but what about the fire? You know ....the fire ball that apparently happened (or did it?)
The paint is not even scorched!

 

[Quantum Quack]

So we have

no credible CVR
No stewardess girlfriend
No video of last moments
No sign of Fire
No impact crater
No bodies
No engines
No communications from the Flight deck

and a whole heap of excuses as to why not?

 

[billvon]

uhm... but what about the fire? You know ....the fire ball that apparently happened (or did it?)

The aircraft was pulverized - smashed into little pieces. The CVR is in the tail. Why do you think that it was anywhere near the fireball? I would expect it to be hundreds of feet away after the impact.