God does exist.

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The reason for the size of my words is not to make them worth reading but to call the attention of the reader in the post. If you have tons of little letters in a single page, you won't pay attention to all of them. However, if the letters are big, you will definetly read them! That's the true reason for my big letters.

Btw... again a misunderstanding about me!! Don't judge me bad. God said I'm a righteous man, then believe in Him. I'm allways honest and carefull with my words. Unfortunatly, people let Satan twist my words in their minds and voila...
 
The reason for the size of my words is not to make them worth reading but to call the attention of the reader in the post
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so you choose for me what is worth reading for me or not!
is that a free will?

Don't judge me bad.
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I never have
Unfortunatly, people let Satan twist my words in their minds and voila...
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Satan doesn't exist - it's all in your head, illusion of your mind - you said for yourself that he is an illusion

Satan is made of pure illusion. He is darkness
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too bad- I like darkness
Darkness doesn't exist as a substance.
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neither does light
maybe light is just an abscence of darkness
 
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so you choose for me what is worth reading for me or not!
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No, I didn't. All that I did was to call your attention to what I was saying. If you would give your attention or not that would be your choice, your own free will.

I never have
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You misjudged me, misunderstood me... for example, you though I wrote the big letters for one reason, and I did it for another...

too bad- I like darkness
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I'm not talking about physical darkness, I'm talking about spiritual darkness (violence, misunderstandings, confusion, hate, fear, etc...).

maybe light is just an abscence of darkness
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You know that light is a substance doesn't you? Light is made out of photons, which are little subatomic particles that behave like particles and waves at the same time. You know that, don't you? Then know that darkness is made out of nothing. That God never created darkness, that darkness is the mere abscence of His light, of His Love, of His Truth. Darkness is death, Light is Life.
 
Light is made out of photons, which are little subatomic particles that behave like particles and waves at the same time. You know that, don't you?
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of course:D
ok- you caught me- I was quick with words- naming darkness a substance:p

That God never created darkness.
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who did then? Christians say their god created everything?
I know- they are wrong
that darkness is the mere abscence of His light, of His Love, of His Truth.
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cool - I like it even more now
Darkness is death, Light is Life
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from where did you get that?
please explain this more- this is some weird concept
 
just info to add to our discussion

Genesis



Six Days of Creation and the Sabbath
1 In the beginning when God createda the heavens and the earth, 2the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from Godb swept over the face of the waters. 3Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. 4And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
6 And God said, "Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters." 7So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so. 8God called the dome Sky. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.
9 And God said, "Let the waters under the sky be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear." And it was so. 10God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good. 11Then God said, "Let the earth put forth vegetation: plants yielding seed, and fruit trees of every kind on earth that bear fruit with the seed in it." And it was so. 12The earth brought forth vegetation: plants yielding seed of every kind, and trees of every kind bearing fruit with the seed in it. And God saw that it was good. 13And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.
14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the dome of the sky to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years, 15and let them be lights in the dome of the sky to give light upon the earth." And it was so. 16God made the two great lights--the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night--and the stars. 17God set them in the dome of the sky to give light upon the earth, 18to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day.
20 And God said, "Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the dome of the sky." 21So God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, of every kind, with which the waters swarm, and every winged bird of every kind. And God saw that it was good. 22God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth." 23And there was evening and there was morning, the fifth day.
24 And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures of every kind: cattle and creeping things and wild animals of the earth of every kind." And it was so. 25God made the wild animals of the earth of every kind, and the cattle of every kind, and everything that creeps upon the ground of every kind. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, "Let us make humankindc in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth,d and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
27 So God created humankinde in his image,
in the image of God he created them;f
male and female he created them.
28God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth." 29God said, "See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food." And it was so. 31God saw everything that he had made, and indeed, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

a Or when God began to create or In the beginning God created b Or while the spirit of God or while a mighty wind c Heb adam d Syr: Heb and over all the earth e Heb adam f Heb him
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Whatsupall:

"Frenchy, this is the THIRD TIME I posted this answer, the THIRD TIME, 3rd, three, 3 TIMES"

Ya, and I've read it THREE TIMES. This "answer", however, does not answer my question, which is why I have posted my QUESTION three times. My question requires a YES or NO ansewer, which you have failed to give. My question says nothing about freewill, and requires no mention of freewill in the answer.

PLEASE answer this question with either "yes" or "no". If you do want to rave on again, please rave about "CHOICE" not "FREEWILL". Thank you:

"If you KNOW 100% that your nephew will take the controller, CAN he still CHOOSE NOT to take the controller?"
 
Originally posted by TruthSeeker

You know that light is a substance doesn't you? Light is made out of photons, which are little subatomic particles that behave like particles and waves at the same time. You know that, don't you? Then know that darkness is made out of nothing. That God never created darkness, that darkness is the mere abscence of His light, of His Love, of His Truth. Darkness is death, Light is Life.
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btw- dark is not nothing- in darkness there are many particles - electrons etc
just no visable light
 
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who did then? Christians say their god created everything?
I know- they are wrong
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Of course God created everything! But darkness is not creation, it is abscence of creation. Everything that exists God created, but every empty space, every place where He is not, this is the darkness, this is His abscence.

cool - I like it even more now
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Why don't you like Love (and Truth)?

from where did you get that?
please explain this more- this is some weird concept
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This is weird for you because you think of it as if this was physical. The "darkness" and "light" I'm talking about here have a greater meaning then the "darkness" and "light" you are used to. It has more spiritual meaning than physical one. The Bible says that God is Life, He is the one who gives life. Satan is the one who takes it away, Satan is the darkness, death, abscence of God. Where God is not, Satan is. Where Light is not, darkness is.
 
(violence, misunderstandings, confusion, hate, fear, etc...).
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Sounds like fun. :)

"You say you don't like the darkness
Well that's just the colour that's around"
--Chemlab
 
But darkness is not creation, it is abscence of creation.
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you are wrong- as I said- there are all kinds of particles even where there is no light
besides- light is everywhere if you think of it- heard of "red shift"? basically it's the light which formed in the big bang, but now is so old that it can not be seen
Why don't you like Love (and Truth)?
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we have each a different meaning for these words
Satan is the darkness
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here you contradict - Jahve created Satan
therefore if Satan=darkness then darkness was created by your god. simple logic
 
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"you are wrong- as I said- there are all kinds of particles even where there is no light"

I was going to contradict you, but you're right, in a way. I think what you are saying is that Darkness does not mean that nothing is there, it just means that light isn't there. Darkness is not a substance so it is quite absurd for you two to keep arguing about it.
 
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"you are wrong- as I said- there are all kinds of particles even where there is no light"

I was going to contradict you, but you're right, in a way. I think what you are saying is that Darkness does not mean that nothing is there, it just means that light isn't there.
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exactly
Darkness is not a substance so it is quite absurd for you two to keep arguing about it.
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no- he says that darkness is not his god's creation
I object, because if his god created everything but "abscence from light" , then he also created electrons, quarks, gluons etc but which are met even there where there is no light, so- by his logic- his god didn't create electrons etc etc also = matter. it's simple

he contradicts himself
 
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you are wrong- as I said- there are all kinds of particles even where there is no light
besides- light is everywhere if you think of it- heard of "red shift"? basically it's the light which formed in the big bang, but now is so old that it can not be seen
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I'm not talking about visible light.

Again, I'm not talking about visible things, I'm talking about the things which are unseen. What can be seen was made out of things that cannot be seen. The Light I'm talking about is not the visible light.

Yes, light is everywhere, as God is everywhere.

we have each a different meaning for these words
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This is Love:

1 Corinthians 13

"1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
3 If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant
5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;
6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part,
10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.
11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways.
12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.
13 So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love."


This is Truth:

John 3:21
"21 But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God."

Romans 1:25
"25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen."

2 John 1:3
"3 Grace, mercy and peace will be with us, from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. "

Resuming...

God=Light=Love=Truth

here you contradict - Jahve created Satan
therefore if Satan=darkness then darkness was created by your god. simple logic
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Who said God created Satan!?!?
 
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no- he says that darkness is not his god's creation
I object, because if his god created everything but "abscence from light" , then he also created electrons, quarks, gluons etc but which are met even there where there is no light, so- by his logic- his god didn't create electrons etc etc also = matter. it's simple

he contradicts himself
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You misunderstood me. I already said that the light I'm talking about is not the physical light. You are still thinking of it as physical light rather then non-physical light. I'm not saying that after the sunset God is not here anymore and during all day God is. I'm not talking literally!!
 
truthseeker,

Who said God created Satan!?!?
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If God created the universe then doesn't that include everything that is in it, which must include Satan.

The alternative is that there are two super beings in existence, God and Satan. Effectively this means two gods. But that contradicts with the Christian claim that there is only 1 god.

If there IS only 1 God who created everything then this God MUST have also created Satan.

This of course raises the issue of God being omni benevolent and the problem that if he created something as fundamentally evil as Satan, who it seems is designed specially to cause immense harm to humans, then we appear to have a paradox. How can the claim of doing no harm, (omni benevolence), be balanced with God’s creating of something that will do the opposite.

Once again we see the claims by Christians for its God resulting in impossible and paradoxical conditions. Claims that prove that such a god simply cannot and therefore does not exist.
 
Originally posted by Frencheneesz
Whatsupall:

"If you KNOW 100% that your nephew will take the controller, CAN he still CHOOSE to play with the dog instead?"
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U WANT YES OR NO ANSWER? Frenchy, if you have a brain, u should know the answer to this by now..
If I know for a fact that my nephew "WILL" take the controller and not Play the dog, then my nephew "WILL" take the controller and not play with the dog, therefore in this perspective, he is following what i know.
MY NEPHEW "WILL NOT" PLAY WITH THE DOG, BECAUSE MY KNOWLEDGE OF HIS ACT IS ABSOLUTE AND PERFECT, YOU SHOULDN'T USE THE WORD "CANNOT", because THAT WORD IMPLIES THAT HE CANNOT PLAY WITH THE DOG INSTEAD AS IF HE DOESNT HAVE FREEWILL LIKE A CYBORG, WHEN THE FACT IS MY NEPHEW HAVE FREEWILL. THE ANSWER IS NO, MY NEPHEW "WILL NOT" DO AGAINST WHAT I KNOW, AND THAT ACT IS PROVEN A FACT......AGAIN, MY NEPHEW DIDNT DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I KNOW BECAUSE MY KNOWLEDGE OF HIS ACT WAS 100% ACCURATE, BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN MY NEPHEW IS A ROBOT AND DOESNT HAVE FREEWILL..

AGAIN, YOU CAN'T USE THE WORD "CAN", WE ARE TALKING ABOUT "FREE-WILL", GET IT? FREE--------WILL......WILL.....FREEWILL...."FREE" AND "WILL"....FREEWILL, GET IT?

DO YOU GET IT FRENCHY? YOUR ARGUING AGAINST FACTS, YOUR ARGUING THAT MY NEPHEW DOESNT HAVE FREEWILL...ARE YOU OK?

SATAN IS TRICKY, HE IS THE MASTER OF DELUSION, HE IS USING YOU, BUT GOD IS MUCH MORE SMARTER THAN HIM...LOL, AND GOD IS USING ME, AND LET THE TRUTH UNVEILS ITSELF...
 
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Cris,

If God created the universe then doesn't that include everything that is in it, which must include Satan.
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Satan is not a creation, Satan is abscence of creation.
Maybe this helps...

John1:1-5

"1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.
5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. "
 
"Satan is abscence of creation"

That's not English. Perhaps you want to say Satan was not created? Or Satan is everything God didn't create?

If so - then there is no Satan, by virtue of the English language something that does not eixst.......does not exist.
 
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