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Proposal: Hate Speech needs to be protected
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Re-read the thread and see if you get it.
It seems more to me that you do not understand what I am saying.
Im sorry that youre afraid, but your emotions are not my responsibility. You gave an hypothetical example, and I gave you a hypothetical answer.
I wasn't afraid. I explained I was using a hypothetical scenario. Your answer was not hypothetical. If you meant it to be you need to work on your grammar.
I agree with you.
But thats more on the topic of hierarchys in our government. We still do have a slight amount of free speech in America.
Yes you did;
You didn't say;
"I'm sorry you would feel afraid under such circumstances" which would acknowledge the hypothetical.
Resorting to personal attacks, good argument
It's an observation, not an attack. Let's take the first quote;
Two mistakes in one small sentence.
Contradict much? Speech is either free, or limited.
aside from that though. yes it is quite amazing what people can get away with and use FREE SPEECH!! as a front
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/08/homosexuality.protest/index.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9102443/
funny as hell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra_fAYl4Th4
altho with the children thats soooo sad..
i have family in the military and if these mother fuckers showd up at his funeral i would go ballistic and probably end up in jail. it would be knockout contest who could knock out the most of these motherfuckers before you got arrested...
and hiding behind the "god wants us to do this" sickning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP6gneH1DRU&feature=related
bless these bikers tho glad someone is doing something about thoes religious people with there head on wrong
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Let me explain something to you,
you said this---->
Which does not include YOU in any way
Then this ------>
Which does not include YOU in any way
I responded this ------>
Which was the answer to that scenario that did not include YOU in any way.
Yeah, effectively the limitation is fraud. Fraud about a matter of fact or action must be illegal. If someone threatens to kill me, then either they are defrauding me (and don't actually intend to), or they're really going to do it, and the police ought to arrest them to prevent them from doing so. Either possibility is an illegal act.
If the threat is in lieu of some act or material wealth, the charge would be extortion.
Following someone down the street would be illegal, if its apparent that you're deliberately stalking them.
Yeah. That goes to the right to be secure in your home.
We need to try and draw a clear line between threats of violence and simple hate speech. If you actually hate people just because they're a different skin tone or religion or nationality than you, that doesn't necessarily mean you intend to hurt them.
What if all you want to do is boycott their businesses?
Jesus kid, you said 'youre' (sic). That's me. You said you were sorry I was afraid. That's a reference to me. Do you not understand what you write?
Stalking is a different matter no? Implying more than one instance. Repeatedly, and deliberately being in the vicinity of another?
OK, so let's get down to specifics, what words or phrases do you think it's OK/Not OK to say to people?
But you do understand that shouting and swearing at people, and using derogatory terminology could intimidate people and make them fearful? How do those being berated know it's not going to escalate into violence?
What has that got to do with 'hate speech'? A boycott is an absence of action, 'hate speech' is most definitely an action.
when i said "youre" i was talking about the person in your secnario. Must i spell it out for you
No. If you deliberately follow someone down the street, and they start changing their course in order to avoid you, but you keep following, you would definitely be committing a crime.
That would be true even if you kept your mouth shut and didn't say a word.
Any word or phrase that an extortionist would employ if they were attempting to forcibly extort money from you. Only difference is that, with unprotected threatening speech, they don't ask for money.
So could looking at them funny. Do you also want to make it illegal to look at people funny?
Ask a simple question: Is that an insult or a threat? I think we've already established that threats of violence don't need to be protected.
If it's an insult, then feel free to insult them back. Get in a flaming war. The right to assault someone for insulting you is certainly not a protected right, so they'd be guilty of assault if they tried anything.
A skin head advocating a boycott of Jewish businesses is exactly what I think should be protected. But most people would categorize that as "hate speech", despite the fact it's not violent.
Then it should have been "they're".
You used 'youre' (sic) implying me.
Learn some grammar, please.
I don't believe that, else the paparazzi could just simply be arrested for following celebrities.
Gestures can be used to intimidate people too. Pulling faces might not intimidate, but miming shooting someone might, so again, you're not being specific about what constitutes a crime.
Someone runs up to you, waving their arms around, and shouts at you 'FUCKING {racial epithet}'. Where's the line between threat and insult? You may feel threatened, even if they do no promise violence, that is the crux.
Great, so they knock you down, and kick the shit out of you because you inflamed the situation, but afterwards, you can try and find them, and have them arrested. It's a bit late then, isn't it?
Boycotting, and advocating a boycott for reasons of simple bigotry are different things. And it is hate speech, and has no place in a civilised society.
I don't believe that, else the paparazzi could just simply be arrested for following celebrities.
Gestures can be used to intimidate people too. Pulling faces might not intimidate, but miming shooting someone might, so again, you're not being specific about what constitutes a crime.
Someone runs up to you, waving their arms around, and shouts at you 'FUCKING {racial epithet}'. Where's the line between threat and insult? You may feel threatened, even if they do no promise violence, that is the crux.
Great, so they knock you down, and kick the shit out of you because you inflamed the situation, but afterwards, you can try and find them, and have them arrested. It's a bit late then, isn't it?
Boycotting, and advocating a boycott for reasons of simple bigotry are different things. And it is hate speech, and has no place in a civilised society.
Youre a real matter of fact kinda guy arent you? You don understand poetry or art do you?
"My love for you is like a red red rose" (That not directed to you btw)
Im sure you look at this and go, "Your love is a red, goodsmelling, flower with thorns? Love is an emoution idiot. Learn some grammer!"
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