Hillary Out of Race?

sandy said:
You might as well have burned that money. Fred isn't going to win. He's too haggard, old-looking, slow, balding, and he has cancer.:(



I'm not a fundie or a redneck. I thought name-calling was a no-no--especially by mods? :(
There are some GREAT redneck pics tho:

http://boortz.com/more/funny/redneck_pics.html



What? Your allowance? You're a high school kid, no?:rolleyes:
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first off your stated religious beliefs fall under the umbrella of fundie christianity
 
James R said:
No doubt conservative fundamentalist Christians like sandy will be doing everything they can to retain their man in the White House. Non-rednecks will really have to mobilise to get a Democrat elected, even despite the Iraq war etc.
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So everyone is either a Democrat or a conservative fundamentalist Christian redneck? And you say conservatives oversimplify and see things in black and white.
 
oreodont said:
3There's no doubt if Hillary wins the nomination it will be:

Clinton/ Obama
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I couldn't disagree with you more. Richardson was a Clinton insider and longtime friend. The Dems have the black vote locked up... not the Hispanic. Furthermore, if you have watched the debates: Richardson always jumps in "just in time" to defend Hillary's back.

I'm pretty certain that the only reason why he's still in it is to raise money to go towards their united campaign as Prez & Veep.

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superstring99 said:
I couldn't disagree with you more. Richardson was a Clinton insider and longtime friend. The Dems have the black vote locked up... not the Hispanic. Furthermore, if you have watched the debates: Richardson always jumps in "just in time" to defend Hillary's back.

I'm pretty certain that the only reason why he's still in it is to raise money to go towards their united campaign as Prez & Veep.

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Until recently, I'd have said the most likely matchup for the general election would be Clinton/Richardson v/s Guiliani/Hucakabee.

Now if Obama gets the nomination, hard to say. I'd think he'd want someone with "gravitas" to make up for his lack of experience. But maybe he'd go the other way and go for a complete "change" ticket. Maybe Obama/Ron Paul. I'm almost afraid to post that idea. I think it would be a tough one to beat.
 
madanth said:
But maybe he'd go the other way and go for a complete "change" ticket. Maybe Obama/Ron Paul. I'm almost afraid to post that idea. I think it would be a tough one to beat.
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Ron Paul is a prolife Creationist who thinks the economy should be returned to the gold standard and all Federal entitlement programs - SS, Medicare, all of them - should be eliminated.

Barack's health care plan alone would keep Paul off the ticket. Paul does not compromise in that fashion.

But Paul isn't running to win office anyway. He's not a fool. He's running to get his ideas out there, get some political force behind them, and make it possible for a sitting official to act according to them.

btw: According to the people who count such things, Clinton currently has about 160 delegates promised to her, Obama has about 60, Edwards has about 45 or 50.
 
pjdude1219 said:
first off your stated religious beliefs fall under the umbrella of fundie christianity
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I haven't even BEGUN to state my beliefs. I get warned/infractions almost every time I talk about Jesus/God. :(

iceaura said:
Ron Paul is a.....
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Paul is a complete whackjob who has NO chance to be POTUS. He is wasting everyone's time and his supporters' money. The ONLY thing he seems to have right is his anti-criminal alien stance. But that's not enough to overcome his weirdness. Sorry. I just call 'em like I see 'em.

And B HUSSEIN Obama is bs. What change? What change is he talking about? He keeps saying "change" but offers no ideas. He's a bs artist who is fooling stupid people.:(
 
iceaura said:
Ron Paul is a prolife Creationist who thinks the economy should be returned to the gold standard and all Federal entitlement programs - SS, Medicare, all of them - should be eliminated.
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I never said they agreed on the issues. They are simply the two candidates that generate the most excitement and embody the idea of "change". Politics makes strange bedfellows, you know.

Being VP puts one literally a heartbeat from the Presidency. And it's long been said that if a black president were elected, he'd be very likely to be assassinated. They said the VP wasn't worth "a warm bucket of spit" when Teddy Roosevelt took that position under McKinley Then Roosevelt went on to be one of our most influental presidents.
 
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iceaura said:
So a week ago people were talking about how little Iowa mattered, and now with one slightly down showing Iowa has knocked the big bad Clinton machine out of the race ?
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What people? Some candidates have spent years going back and forth to Iowa. Campaigns spent millions. Thousands of press. Huckabee's daughter actually moved there as it was so imperative a state to concentrate on.
 
joepistole said:
I don't know who has been saying that. I have not heard it before. And I pray that does not happen.
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You've never heard that? There was even an old Eddy Murphy bit. He starts jumping and dodging around the stage to the sound of bullets flying saying, "Guess who I am?" The answer, "The first
black president".

Anyway, the point was, anything can happen in politics. And I'd think the risk in being the first black president would be obvious. All it takes is one racist psycho. And there are plenty of them to go around.

I'd say the risk is much lower these days than in the seventies or eighties. Look at the history of Harold Washington as mayor of Chicago if you really want to see racism in politics. The majority of the city council (despite the fact that they were, like him, mostly Democrats) turned against him and opposed almost everything he did. They called it "council wars".
 
I'm one of those people, sort of. I said I didn't care about the caucus, and I really didn't. Pat Buchanan won Iowa, didn't he? Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton lost it.

The fact is, I think HC could get beat in New Hampshire, beat badly, and still salvage her prospects with Super Tuesday. Momentum is important in elections, but it's not everything.
 
countezero said:
I'm one of those people, sort of. I said I didn't care about the caucus, and I really didn't. Pat Buchanan won Iowa, didn't he? Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton lost it.

The fact is, I think HC could get beat in New Hampshire, beat badly, and still salvage her prospects with Super Tuesday. Momentum is important in elections, but it's not everything.
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Iowa was a caucus state and all about party organization. It's not that Iowa was important in itself but that the Clinton juggernaut had no teeth and party faithful now feel free to jump elsewhere without incuring the wrath of the party establishment. Clinton won't be the one handing out the cookies in January, 2009...the Demo establishment has crumbled behind her and the pieces are sucking up to Obama. Obama emerges from New Hamphire not only with momentum but party hacks who know what side their bread is buttered on. 'The Machine' will not be working for Hillary on Super Tuesday....if Hillary had won one of the two states then it would have been. Also, Clinton will get creamed in South Carolina just before super Tuesday.... absolutely decimated in S.C.., the first big race.

Hillary is dead.
 
I admit it's a powerful result.

I'm just not prepared to write her off.

Remember, this is the woman who was radioactive for much of her husband's administration. When she first ran for senate, nobody gave her a chance. Yet, today she is a senator. When she was elected senator and people started talking about her running for president, I remember people laughing. Nobody is laughing now...
 
countezero said:
I admit it's a powerful result.

I'm just not prepared to write her off.

Remember, this is the woman who was radioactive for much of her husband's administration. When she first ran for senate, nobody gave her a chance. Yet, today she is a senator. When she was elected senator and people started talking about her running for president, I remember people laughing. Nobody is laughing now...
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Hillary used her name and connections to get the nod in New York. The same for her intitial position as Demo front runner. Unfortunately for her that can only take her so far. 24 hour news services with space to fill, stories to build, molehills into mountains and so on just can't be controlled by Hillary or anyone else. It's true that 'the media is the message'....Clinton could be the second coming of Jesus X but the momentum of societal energies is like a chaotic tidal wave. A month ago she was seen as the probable next president....now she's dead in the water. It's the vagrancies of something a little less than mass hysteria....like some bizarre force from a futuristic movie.

Hillary has no secret weapons. No unknowns. No reaching down and pulling tricks out of the bag. She's too known to both those who love and hate her. Her magic box is empty of surprises to dazle the public. She's a complete known entity and came third in Iowa... complete known entity and will lose big in New Hampshire....will lose big in South Carolina. Nobody is going to project media driven Obama-like magic on her.
 
I'm now convinced that the whole thing is rigged.

Fcking Hillary winning New Hampshire. What a fkcing joke.
 
How does Hillary have such a sizeable lead? Obama was ostensibly the democratic leader of New Hampshire, yet he's down about 5% as of now, and rapidly declining. I don't know if rigging at this point is useful or helpful to anyone (although it is plausible), but something happened to boost the Clinton support. Maybe people bought the tears?
 
It would really be insulting to Americans if they were in fact changing their support because of the tears.
 
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