The intrepretation of the capitalized God I use, is ''the supreme being'' as understood by the Christian, or Islamic understanding of the ''one God''.
jan.
How can God not exist?
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The intrepretation of the capitalized God I use, is ''the supreme being'' as understood by the Christian, or Islamic understanding of the ''one God''.
jan.
So it's the god of the Abrahamic religions IOW.
No, they haven't - at least to no extent beyond you sticking your fingers in your ears.
Like the boogeyman, Superman, Santa Claus, pixies elves, orcs, dragons etc. Within this God is no different - a creation for a purpose (appeasement of fears, for control, to tell stories etc)
Including god. Your refusal to accept it does not make it false, or even refuted.
So your argument rests on why the supernatural is itself conceptualised?? :shrug:
Try this one on for size:
As soon as one person came up with an imaginary authority (for purposes of control, for example) another would try to trump this authority with a "superior" (but no less imaginary) authority.
The two then enter a "arms race" of sorts to come up with the ultimate authority with which to trump the other.
One finally comes up with "Whatever you come up with, my authority is more powerful".
Sound familiar?
In fact many a six year-old have the same arguments about their respective fathers.
While they can conceptualise things, it doesn't make the actual existence of that thing other than a mere concept.
You also seem to hold to the idea that noone could ever have thought of something not based on what they perceive, yet have singularly failed to explain how the concept of "god" is not based on exactly that.
And no, we don't accept your "fingers in ear, not listening" argument.
You haven't provided anything that even resembles a straight answer. You're either afraid of the implications or you don't believe in evolution (and don't want to admit it here for some reason).
Look, Rav, you asked me a question, and although you provided the answer, promted by my question, I accept it as an answer to your question.
Whether you like the answer or not, the question has been answered.
Now please move on, and stop trying to create a different, and unnecessay situation.
thanks
jan.
You created the situation yourself when you refused to give a straight answer to a simple question. Why don't you just do what people normally do in a discussion. Take the question at face value and answer it.
I'm easy. Call Him by any of His names.
But I simply call Him God, The Supreme Being, above all others.
jan.
There is no point attempting a discussion with Jan.
He, despite calls to others for "open-mindedness", is absolutely set on "god does exist" and will resort to diversion, obfuscation and outright lies (as seen in this thread and others) in order to avoid anything that contradicts this deeply ingrained belief.
Give it up guys, whatever you say will not have the slightest effect.
He, despite calls to others for "open-mindedness", is absolutely set on "god does exist" and will resort to diversion, obfuscation and outright lies (as seen in this thread and others) in order to avoid anything that contradicts this deeply ingrained belief.
Give it up guys, whatever you say will not have the slightest effect.
So in spite of your recent suggestions that the concept of God has always been present in our conscious minds, you admit that there may have been a time (if we follow our evolutionary chain back far enough) when it wasn't?
When the going gets tough, the weak get going.
Are you going to report me again?
jan.
We're all still discussing your original
question right? If so, then my comments (and questions) are perfectly on topic.
Oh, and just to facilitate your answer to my second question I'll quickly deal with this:
No, not with absolute certainty. But if we go even further back along the evolutionary chain (250 million years for example, when we were all cynodonts) then I can be reasonably certain that nothing resembling a concept of God would have existed in our conscious minds.
So lying is being tough?
What a strange outlook you have.
I suspect that Glaucon either missed your posts where you have done this or decided you were irretrievable.
I considered it but decided you're simply not worth the effort.
Rav,
Okay; The original point and question..
Civilisation.
''a human society that has highly developed material and spiritual resources and a complex cultural, political, and legal organization; an advanced state in social development''
We 'cynodonts' could not have formed a civilisation, so your point, and entire question has to be rendered moot, in relation to my original point.
jan.
Okay; The original point and question..
Civilisation.
''a human society that has highly developed material and spiritual resources and a complex cultural, political, and legal organization; an advanced state in social development''
We 'cynodonts' could not have formed a civilisation, so your point, and entire question has to be rendered moot, in relation to my original point.
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This has been your contention throughout this thread which makes questions about when (on the evolutionary timeline) our ancestors began to form a conscious picture of something resembling a god about as relevant and on-topic as we could possibly get. The obvious implication is of course that at some point in our distant past the concept of God was not in our conscious minds (unless you believe it is present in the minds of all creatures) and therefore must have had it's beginnings somewhere.
It's about time we realized that.
I'm not being smart or funny here, but what is the point in my doing so?
I have previously exposed lies from you, in other threads. And your behaviour hasn't altered one jot.
I suspect that you're so mired in your superstition that you're incapable of recognising or acknowledging your own dishonesty.
Okay, I can see where this is going, so I'm going to call it a day.
Thanks for your participation.
jan.
Thanks for your participation.
jan.
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