Influence of Gravitational Waves on Planetary Orbits

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Does the world allow us to explain gravitational waves with classical physical theory?

  1. Classical physics can explain how GWs are produced and estimate it's strength.

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  2. Only GR can explain GWs.

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  1. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    Your master, Einstein begged Chern at Princeton University, hoping that Chern could join his GR research, but Chern rejected him, Chern thought Einstein's GR was completely wrong, and Einstein's mathematics was terrible !
    James R, while you're blindly praising Einstein, you should check out his history in Princeton, where he was treated like a German idiot.
     
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  3. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Tony:
    No. I am not.
    In principle, yes. To present to you on sciforums? No. Too much effort required. Besides, you wouldn't change you mind about GR if I showed you orbital data calculated using GR, anyway, would you?
    This is the first time you've asked me, as far as I am aware. What are you referring to?
    It doesn't matter what I have personally done or not done. I already told you that GR has been used (by other people) to calculate GR planetary orbit data.

    Also, you can read all about the calculation of the anomalous precession of planetary orbits in just about any introductory textbook on GR, and see exactly how the figure of 43 arcseconds per century is calculated for Mercury. Have you read and understood any such book?

    It is nonsensical for you to claim that GR has not been used to calculate planetary orbital data.
    Thank you for the wikipedia link. I am now slightly ashamed that I didn't recognise the name before.
    You might be right. Maybe we could compare our piano playing skills, for instance.
    Is there any public record of this?

    Why do you refer to Einstein as my "master"? Are you trying to belittle or insult me? Why?
    Is there any public record of this?

    Also: does it matter?

    Suppose Einstein was a German idiot, as you claim. Does that mean you're a genius? Does that mean the paper you wrote that was rejected by so many scientific journals has any value?
     
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  5. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Really? When in 1932 the US opened the Institute for Advanced Study, at Princeton, Professor Einstein was one of the two very first appointments:
    https://www.ias.edu/about/mission-history

    (My old college tried to get him, but could not compete with that.)

    It would seem you do not bother to check your facts.
     
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  7. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    You should take a good look at the interview video of Academician Chen. If you have someone around you who can understand Chinese, you can ask them to translate for you. Chen made the most honest evaluation of Einstein. This is an evaluation of Einstein by a colleague who worked together.
    GR gives the equation for calculating the precession of planetary orbits, but GR cannot be used to calculate planetary orbits. GR also cannot calculate orbital precession under the N-body. Do you understand what N-Body is? Hope you understand.
    Do you know how Mercury precesses 43"?
    43" = total Mercury orbital precession data from astronomical observations - data calculated by Newtonian mechanics
    GR has calculated 43", but GR has not been able to calculate the total Mercury orbital precession data, maybe I don't know as much as James R, so if I am wrong, please give GR's calculation data.
     
  8. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    Einstein's stupid theory fooled many people, but being able to calculate 43" at the time was indeed enough to make him famous, but if you know Einstein's history, you should know that he is a person who likes to piece together data. Einstein Stein is very famous at Princeton University, and many famous physicists wanted to visit him, but when they learned about Einstein's work and that Einstein was a fool, they chose not to communicate with him.
    You can go to Princeton University to investigate whether what I said is true!
     
  9. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    Einstein not only failed to sit on the throne before leaving this world, but was considered a very stupid and selfish person.
    But after Einstein died, believers dressed him in the emperor's new clothes, and he became the supreme god of physics. Einstein has become a cash cow for believers. As long as they tout, praise, and uphold Einstein's fallacies, believers can get money, status, and honor. This is a very successful case, congratulations to everyone, I hope you continue to have fun.
    When Einstein went to the Princeton institute of advanced study he worked for 20 years on a combination of General relativity with Electromagnetism and what he understood about nuclear physics in order to come up with a Unified Field theory, Freeman Dyson went to Einstein's office the Institute of Advanced Study, talked to Einstein, looked at his equations and decided that Einstein's work was JUNK. Freeman Dyson refused to talk to Einstein at all in the 1950s. Just flat out ignored him.
    Shiing-shen Chern, a member of the American Academy of Sciences, also commented on Einstein. He believed that Einstein's GR was completely wrong, and that Einstein's mathematics was extremely poor. Chen rejected Einstein's invitation to cooperate.
    Enough of this philosophical all fun and play physics! if we need to move further in gravitational research and want to reach to the stars then we have to out of this GTR quick sand. No wonder Freeman Dyson and Shiing-shen Chern refused to collaborate with Einstein. Einstein was notorious with collaborating with others but taking all the credit. I must agree with Chern that Einstein was at best an average to below average physicist and a very poor mathematician. Late professor Seymour Margulies said the same thing and he disliked GTR/STR and considered Einstein as just hype without real substance.
    I can't stop physics from being fooled by you, but you should know that you are the sinners in the history of physics development. You have become the protagonists of "The Emperor's New Clothes".
     
  10. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    After you watch the video given above, use your smart brain to draw conclusions. Instead of "realy" here.
     
  11. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    James R and exchemist, this is an article for the two of you, after you read it, use your smart brains to think about it.
    Farmer and Lazy Pig
    The farmer raised a very fat lazy pig. In order to make the pig lose weight, the farmer thought of a way. He put the pig on roller skates, tied a gong to its butt, and shot the gong continuously with a gun. When the pig hears the sound of the bullet hitting the gong, it will speed up and run, and when the sound disappears, the pig will glide at a constant speed on the smooth ice surface again. The pig keeps speeding up and running, and finally when its speed is equal to the bullet, the bullet can no longer hit the gong, and the pig no longer accelerates, it will keep sliding at the same speed as the bullet. Because of his own efforts, farmer's bullet can't catch up to its ass, so pig is very proud and continues to enjoy its laziness.

    Einstein came up with the great SRT, SRT tells us that the faster an object goes, the more mass it becomes, and that no object can go faster than the speed of light.

    So scientists designed such an experiment to continuously accelerate a charged particle in an electric field. They wanted to know whether the particle could eventually surpass the speed of light. Experiments show that no matter how long the particles are accelerated by the electric field, the speed of the particles cannot reach the speed of light, thus once again verifying Einstein's great SRT.

    Lazy Pig heard about this particle experiment, and it felt that something was wrong. Obviously, when the speed of the particle is close to the speed of the electric field, the acceleration of the electric field on the particle will become very small. When the speed of the particle is equal to the speed of the electric field, the particle will no longer be accelerate. This should be the same as the bullet chasing its ass, the pig fell into thinking. Didn't the pig save the ass, but Einstein saved the it’s ass? The pig also began to worry that because of his running, his mass would become larger and become a fatter pig.

    Scientists in Europe had heard of the pigs' distress and began to worry that their experiments would bring disaster to the planet. Because the great Einstein told them that when the speed of an object approaches the speed of light, the mass of the particle will approach infinity. According to the kinetic energy equation E = 0.5mv^2, this particle will have a very terrifying kinetic energy, once the particle hits the earth, the earth will be destroyed. The more scientists think about it, the more afraid they become.

    One day, Chinese scientists also wanted to design a particle acceleration experiment, but this great plan was stopped by Professor Chen-Ning Franklin Yang, a scientist from the United States. Professor Yang knew that this would be a disaster, so he stopped this dangerous experiment in China .

    Finally, the pig knew the scientist's concern, and he took a deep breath and said, "Fortunately, the bullet is not fast enough, otherwise its butt will destroy the earth."
     
  12. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not wasting my time watching some video of unknown provenance.

    I've posted you the facts about how Einstein was regarded in the USA. If you want to challenge them, kindly do so in your own words, with supporting references.
     
  13. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    Please use your great GR to calculate the orbits of the planets in the solar system.
    Please put away your nonsense before giving your calculations.
     
  14. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    GR is the most stupid theory in the world, but as a cult GR is successful.
     
  15. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Right, so you cannot support your ridiculous claim about Einstein supposedly being treated as an idiot by the USA.

    And now I see you are resorting to larger font sizes, in bold, to shout about your obsession.

    You are mad, that is now obvious.
     
  16. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    You are also a fanatic of Einstein.
    Please stop all this nonsense! Please use your great GR to calculate planetary orbits!
     
  17. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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  18. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Tony:
    Somebody had an opinion about Einstein. So what?
    Can you see the contradiction in what you wrote, there?
    It can; it's just difficult. But it doesn't matter. The Sun has 99% of the mass of the solar system. It is the major cause of the anomalous precession of the planetary orbits.
    Yes. It is calculated using GR.
    No. One reason for the fame was that after Einstein calculated that number, it was confirmed by observations. Which suggests that GR is correct. Einstein got famous because he explained things that were previously mysteries.
    Only by very stupid and selfish people, no doubt.
    It doesn't matter, either way.

    What matters, in the end, is whether Einstein's theories are right or wrong. 100 years of testing has shown they are right. So, God of Physics or stupid idiot - either way, Einstein was right. An incredibly lucky accident, or genius? You decide.
    Did he, though? I have yet to see any evidence of that.
    So, another person has an opinion. So what? It's not like you're the God of Physics whom we all look up to and admire. Why should we care about your opinion of Einstein?

    It sounds to me like you're a bit jealous of Einstein and his fame, if you ask me.
    Yes, but it isn't just that. The particles behave quantitatively exactly as predicted by SRT, in terms of their energies, momenta and more. Experiments have verified this, thousands of times over.

    Nice pig story, by the way!
     
  19. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    When in doubt, SHOUTING always helps to make your point more true, I find.
     
  20. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    Not only did Einstein not sit on the throne before he left this world, but he was considered a very stupid and selfish person.
    But after Einstein died, believers dressed him in the emperor's new clothes, and he became the supreme god of physics. Einstein has become a cash cow for believers. As long as they tout, praise and defend Einstein's fallacies, believers can gain money, status and honor.
    When Einstein went to the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton for 20 years to combine general relativity with electromagnetism and his understanding of nuclear physics to come up with a unified field theory, Freeman Dyson went to Einstein's office Advanced Study, talk to Einstein, look at his equations and determine that Einstein's work is rubbish. Freeman Dyson refused to talk to Einstein at all in the 1950s. Just ignore him altogether.
    Shiing-shen Chern, a member of the American Academy of Sciences, also commented on Einstein. He thinks Einstein's GR is completely wrong, Einstein's mathematics is extremely bad. Chern declined Einstein's offer to collaborate.
    Einstein was at best an average to below average physicist and a very bad mathematician. The same was said by the late Professor Seymour Margulies, who disliked GR/SR and thought Einstein was just hype with no substance.

    There are still many fanatical GR cultists like exchemist, who will do whatever it takes to defend Einstein and his GR fallacies, as well as their GR cult interests!
     
  21. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    Shut up and get your data out!
     
  22. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    I can find no reference at all to Siing-Shen Chern disparaging Einstein. Unlike Einstein, Siing-Shen Chern was not a physicist, of course. He was a mathematician.

    Seymour Margulies seems to have been an obscure lecturer in physics at Illinois, where he worked on the Mossbauer Effect. I can find nothing about any work on relativity. https://libserv.aip.org/ipac20/ipac.jsp?uri=full=3100001~!40000!0&profile=rev-icos
     
  23. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    It looks as if you are now at the maximum font size supported on this site.

    If I were you I would try changing the font colour, to red, say, to make your point more forcefully. Or you could try alternating red and blue, perhaps. But red is, so I gather, also a lucky colour for the Chinese, so you might find that more congenial.
     
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