Interesting news for Drug Warriors

Should the United States legalize illicit drugs?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 37.5%
  • No

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Only certain ones: e.g.- marijuana, peyote, psilocybin, coca, opium resin

    Votes: 7 43.8%
  • No, but Schedule 1 should be rewritten

    Votes: 2 12.5%
  • No, more substances should be added to Schedule 1

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I don't know, that's what I'm trying to figure out

    Votes: 1 6.3%

  • Total voters


Let us not launch the boat ...
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The following excerpt is taken from an article by the Drug Reform Coordination Network in their weekly online newsletter. From The Week Online #176, 3/9/2001:
One of the ironies of the drug war is that where it was been waged most loudly and enthusiastically is precisely the place where teen drug use is now most entrenched. Conversely where drug war rhetoric is comparatively mute, teen usage of illicit drugs is much lower. In the Netherlands, for example, which has the most liberal drug policy in Europe and where marijuana is effectively legal, marijuana use among teens is actually lower than in the United States. The survey found 28% of Dutch teens smoked marijuana as compared with 41% of American teens, and 23% of American teens had experimented with other illicit drugs as compared with only 6% of European teens.

But when it comes to legal drugs, such as cigarettes and alcohol, teen usage is much higher in Europe. Thirty-seven percent of European teens had smoked cigarettes in the past month as compared with only 26% of Americans. Sixty-one percent of European teens had consumed alcohol as compared with only 40% of Americans.

When asked about the disparity, Kevin Zeese of Common Sense for Drug Policy pointed to the lure of the forbidden as a major factor. "It is worth pointing out that the Dutch, when they made marijuana available for purchase, said one reason they were doing so was to 'make marijuana boring,'" Zeese told DRCNet.

"Our approach, making marijuana a forbidden fruit where the primary educators on the topic are DARE police officers, has the opposite effect. We make marijuana a magnet for the natural rebellious period of the teen years," Zeese explained. "The laws are easy to break, highlighted in ads and schools, the schools lie about the dangers of marijuana and police are the messengers -- that all adds up to a recipe for encouraging, rather than discouraging teen use. Then, our failure to separate the marijuana market from other illegal drug markets makes it natural to purchase other drugs from the high school dealer."
This excerpt is taken from an article considering the results of a recent multinational study of teen substance use. One of the most confounding observations is that teen drug use occurs at a lower rate in places where drugs aren't so darned illegal.

And while most stoners I know already believe in Zeese's "forbidden fruit" idea, the idea rarely comes up in such focus.

For myself, I didn't smoke pot when I was in high school; I believed the lies about the dangers of marijuana until I read the 1972 Bureau of Narcotics report to Congress. But I went to a high school where they considered banning magnetic locker mirrors because they are so convenient for cutting the lines and lines of cocaine that my more affluent classmates made available.

But largely, as a youth, I only turned drugs down on the grounds that I either didn't like the drug for personal reasons (speed, coke ... I don't think we had a heroin problem), or else that I was uncomfortable standing outside a shopping mall--or under the bleachers, or outside a restaurant where four blue-and-whites are parked--and smoking a joint. Nowadays, that prohibition isn't nearly as strong, but it's not like I was ever fully anti-drug.

What I'm wondering, in general, then, is how people feel about the forbidden fruit idea. Whereas most drug warriors fear an explosion in use and abuse upon legalization, what of this phenomenon reflected among Dutch teens so aptly summed up by Zeese: the Dutch, when they made marijuana available for purchase, said one reason they were doing so was to 'make marijuana boring. is the address of the article for the next few days. I will update it when the site moves the story to its archive.

Tiassa :cool:

I totally, completley, unconditionally, and really agree with you and the article.

Q. What is the Drug War's Goal?
A. To stop people from using drugs.

Q. Do people use drugs?

The Drug laws are the only laws with no intended effect, and make it seem like it's OK to break the law.
Tiassa, you are the lighthouse in the murky waters of information, without you, I am sure that sciforums would become a chatroom with conspiracy theorists abound and endless pee and poo jokes.
thank you for setting the record straight. It is hard to imagine the war on drugs being about anything except the seizure of ones own ability to make a concrete decision on what is good for them or what is harmful. It's time people stop letting the Dr. Laura's of the world tell them what is good for them, or "right" for them. Actually that should say stop asking the Dr. L's whats right for them, go outside, smoke one with their family and then ask " Is this what all the fuss is about"
Sorry, it's hard to make an intelligent arguement for me right now, as you can see by the time of the thread. Love you and anyone else who loves themselves to find shit out for themselves, bye bye!
they should outlaw addicting drugs, well jsut discourage them. if its a free country, i want to have the freedom to use cannabis. it is basically harmless, sure there is a few dangers... but ur in a lt more danger driving down the street everyday.
how else are the nsa and cia gunna get there bags of cash?
they know you aint gunna fund them for spying in your window / or reaserch to police your thoughts :D
they need the drugs to be illegal and expensive to maintain there own hierachy.
and life styles
its the same in all countries i think just bigger in the bigger ones.
surely you could ..."JUST HOLD OFF ON THOSE 20 EXTRA

wel thats the way they would see it i gues

:D missery to all greed merchants

the teachings of don won
carlos castanada

im not sure if the spelling is correct but its an auto of the guy who is supposed to be the only (european)apprentice american indian witch doctor
good read
I can smoke weed and marihuana whenever I want...

I live in the netherlands...

soft drugs are legal here, hahahahahahahaha :D