Intriguing question about Time, Physics and SRT in general

Quantum Quack said:
I do understand your point..
In a continuum of time it makes sense to consider it in the above terms.

Contra:

However at exactly "mark 10 am" we are referring to a zero point that is non-existent as it has zero duration therefore freezing at this point is also non-existent. [purely imaginary]
Remember these two diagrams about a point with in the wave length of a photon?

Firstly note that a wave length of red light takes time to register as red.

red.jpg


That is to say the given micon [ distance] is given over time. 'c'

Secondly, place your mark 10 am point any where on the wave form.

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Now reconsider the notion of freezing a photon [universe] before the wave form has been established as red.
What do you have?
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I think we would have to agree on the fact that a photon could be frozen at a point in space, where ever it was in its propagated path. Further, I view photons as wave-particles with mass, so when you freeze it, you are freezing an object. I don't agree that it has a waveform, waveform describes its possible locations, but in my view, it always has only one location, which changes as time passes.

I didn't take long for me to think this discussion will not work on your thread, since it would seem that I was trying to hijack it. I'm not.
 
quantum_wave said:
I didn't take long for me to think this discussion will not work on your thread, since it would seem that I was trying to hijack it. I'm not.
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well I guess it is all for a good cause yes?

I think we would have to agree on the fact that a photon could be frozen at a point in space, where ever it was in its propagated path. Further, I view photons as wave-particles with mass, so when you freeze it, you are freezing an object. I don't agree that it has a waveform, waveform describes its possible locations, but in my view, it always has only one location, which changes as time passes.
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It is very important to realize as you have alluded to, that science has an incomplete picture of what energy is, what a photon is, what matter and mass is etc... This is not to be taken as a pejorative. Science has a job in front of it and always will...

It is also very easy for hobbyist laymen like you and I to sit and pick holes in mainstream theories, whilst forgetting the extreme rigors required to establish ideas of worth so that they CAN be picked on.

You are correct that we would have to form a consensus on what exactly a photon is, define it sufficiently enough to explore it together in a way that is productive.
My above post [ with images ] is only taking the issue that I am referring to, to it's absolute microscopic resolution. To somehow demonstrate the point that when we apply infinite reduction techniques using a common example of time marking we can end up with some intriguing insights, into the nature of this universe.
Further, I view photons as wave-particles with mass, so when you freeze it, you are freezing an object.
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and I would ask how you would define this "frozen object of energy mass" and how it could possibly exist if there was no time for it to exist.
If you can not adequately explain logically how an energ-istic object can exist when no time is available for it to do so then I am obliged to consider waiting until you can.
 
Quantum Quack said:
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and I would ask how you would define this "frozen object of energy mass" and how it could possibly exist if there was no time for it to exist.
If you can not adequately explain logically how an energ-istic object can exist when no time is available for it to do so then I am obliged to consider waiting until you can.
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Time simply passes, without regard to the presence of particles. Particles exist continuously from the time they form until they cease to exist.
 
quantum_wave said:
There is always time passing, so there is always time available for a particle to form.
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except at any given zero duration time mark.

yes I know... a circular discussion going no where....unless you actually take on board the import of the two images I posted in post #800
 
Quantum Quack said:
except at any given zero duration time mark.
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QQ, I start a timer exactly at the point in time that you start running. I stop the timer exactly at the point in time that you stop running. You started at 10 AM and you stopped at 10:09, so you were running for exactly 9 minutes.

Question for you: How much time did it take you to start running?
 
Motor Daddy said:
QQ, I start a timer exactly at the point in time that you start running. I stop the timer exactly at the point in time that you stop running. You started at 10 AM and you stopped at 10:09, so you were running for exactly 9 minutes.

Question for you: How much time did it take you to start running?
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you will need to rephrase the question as it is impossible to answer in it's current from.
 
Quantum Quack said:
except at any given zero duration time mark.

yes I know... a circular discussion going no where....unless you actually take on board the import of the two images I posted in post #800
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I understand them, but if photons work like that, the scenario that time simply passes is still good, IMHO.
 
quantum_wave said:
I understand them, but if photons work like that, the scenario that time simply passes is still good, IMHO.
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Of course it does, This I do not dispute.
However when it comes to "freezing a frame" which is the context of my post [#800] for zero duration somewhere "within" the duration of a red photon wave form and expecting it to show the color red (or anything) is ridiculous to consider, don't you think?
 
Motor Daddy said:
QQ, I start a timer exactly at the point in time that you start running. I stop the timer exactly at the point in time that you stop running. You started at 10 AM and you stopped at 10:09, so you were running for exactly 9 minutes.

Question for you: How much time did it take you to start running?
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ok I will give it a go and see where you wish to take it..

Answer:
delta t = 0
 
Quantum Quack said:
Of course it does, This I do not dispute.
However when it comes to "freezing a frame" which is the context of my post [#800] for zero duration somewhere "within" the duration of a red photon wave form and expecting it to show the color red (or anything) is ridiculous to consider, don't you think?
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No, if you freeze me right along with the rest of the universe while a stream of photons in the visible color red frequency are entering my eye and being analyzed by my brain to be red, then when you hit the freeze button, I will be frozen seeing red, lol.
 
quantum_wave said:
No, if you freeze me right along with the rest of the universe while a stream of photons in the visible color red frequency are entering my eye and being analyzed by my brain to be red, then when you hit the freeze button, I will be frozen seeing red, lol.
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and the act of "seeing red" takes how long? [chuckle]
 
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