Iraqi Shias protest against US troops
- Thread starter S.A.M.
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They still did not want it, though one could argue that they surrendered because they started it.
I thought you supported everyone who wanted to change their borders based on ethnicity?
What about before/after that? I don't see anyone punishing the Dutch, French or the British for their cruelties in the past, or punishing the US for their role in supporting right wing dictators worldwide and causing mass civilian casualties.
Before that? Well, it's as you say, Sam, isn't it: they just didn't know any better. Accidents of their era. Typical of their times. All of which, I'm given to understand from you, should be forgiven in the light of history. Mohammed didn't know any better. Umar didn't. No one did, unless their detractors gain from saying they did.
No punishment for the eeeeevil Dutch and the rest? Well now, you may be right there. There was insufficient punishment of the colonialists. And this exonerates the Nazi German and Imperial Japanese nations...somehow. In some way. Because everybody's evil, see? Of course. Similarly the Stalinists. Similarly the Saudis. Similarly the Sufis.
All is similitude...and dissimilitude. Peace, weary traveller: fret not thee over the babes of Nanking, nor a few million Jews. All infidels; all unwelcome. Of course, of course.
No punishment for the eeeeevil Dutch and the rest? Well now, you may be right there. There was insufficient punishment of the colonialists. And this exonerates the Nazi German and Imperial Japanese nations...somehow. In some way. Because everybody's evil, see? Of course. Similarly the Stalinists. Similarly the Saudis. Similarly the Sufis.
All is similitude...and dissimilitude. Peace, weary traveller: fret not thee over the babes of Nanking, nor a few million Jews. All infidels; all unwelcome. Of course, of course.
I see you're descending into the maudlin in lieu of an answer.
Or do black and brown victims not count?
No; merely flummoxed at the inanity of some arguments.
Not to some people, apparently.
The Arabs invaded India?
The Sufis, actually.
More History by Hindutva?
Let me guess, their whirling confused everyone into conversion.
First learn some history, then make noise. The American practice of making up facts to suit their viewpoint does not work with me. I know Asian history.
One could argue that Imperial Japan, who had been at peace with their neighbors for 5000 years, were simply doing as the Imperial English or other European colonists were doing. As a matter of fact, up until the Americans pulled a warship into Edo harbor and demanded that Japan (renown for their gold) engage with the West, they were happy to remain completely isolated. Well, one look at the shit-house China was sitting in and yeah, they engaged. It's easy to point the finger at the Germans and Japanese and say "Why look at the atrocities they committed" well these pale in comparison with the Europeans' "Age of Discovery". As a matter of fact the pitifully puny conquests of the Arabs are nothing, absolutely nothing, compared to the near total annihilation and utter humiliation the Europeans perpetrated against - well, against about every people on the planet.
Anyway, those were different times.
Oh, and yes Sam your ancestors probably converted to Islam by coercion of some sorts. Much like how our European ancestors were coerced into Christianity. Indians, with their advanced Philosophies and Religious systems would have absolutley zero reason to go backwards to an inferior religious Philosophy that offers nothing novel to them.
Agreed?
To think otherwise is silly. Even the Greeks with their advanced state of philosophical treaties found inspiration in Indian Philosophy.
I think it's fair to say a book that is merely 70% copied from the Torah, which any moron could do (and obviously did) combined with a big fat 0% novelty or foresight is not going to sway many Indians to "convert" begin praying towards Arabia and venerating an Arab warlord. There were TONS of those sorts around - if they were going to do that then they'd have worshiped Alexander (actually many Arabs do, they think he's a Muslim Pfff!! LOL. You're a Muslim for the same reason many here are Christian.
On topic, is there anyone left that still thinks this war was about anything other than OIL? The reason the USA will not leave is because Iraq's oil must be secured first. It's as simple as that. Until the oil is under USA control or the USA has no need of oil then we will remain in Iraq. The USA will leave when a new Autocrat is in place who answers to Washington. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply deluded.
Michael
Anyway, those were different times.
Oh, and yes Sam your ancestors probably converted to Islam by coercion of some sorts. Much like how our European ancestors were coerced into Christianity. Indians, with their advanced Philosophies and Religious systems would have absolutley zero reason to go backwards to an inferior religious Philosophy that offers nothing novel to them.
Agreed?
To think otherwise is silly. Even the Greeks with their advanced state of philosophical treaties found inspiration in Indian Philosophy.
I think it's fair to say a book that is merely 70% copied from the Torah, which any moron could do (and obviously did) combined with a big fat 0% novelty or foresight is not going to sway many Indians to "convert" begin praying towards Arabia and venerating an Arab warlord. There were TONS of those sorts around - if they were going to do that then they'd have worshiped Alexander (actually many Arabs do, they think he's a Muslim Pfff!! LOL
. You're a Muslim for the same reason many here are Christian.On topic, is there anyone left that still thinks this war was about anything other than OIL? The reason the USA will not leave is because Iraq's oil must be secured first. It's as simple as that. Until the oil is under USA control or the USA has no need of oil then we will remain in Iraq. The USA will leave when a new Autocrat is in place who answers to Washington. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply deluded.
Michael
Hardly, there were no wars for conversion in the biggest Muslim countries today, population wise.
And you may be surprised at the appeal of the simplicity of Islam. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Westerners converted, given some religious education.
yeah sure you do.First learn some history, then make noise. The American practice of making up facts to suit their viewpoint does not work with me. I know Asian history.