#### Write4U

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How do you answer the self-organization of recurring patterns without a mathematixcal function?One, the universe has physical properties, by definition. Not mathematical properties.

I beg to differ with your conclusion.Math is a system of symbols used by some brains to describe regular patterns in the universe and in the brain's perceptions and manipulations of sensory input. Tegmark is a Platonist who likes to see the universe as somehow "made of math," which for many of us is confusing the map with the territory.

The fact that humans are able to measure, quantify, codify, and symbolize natural processes is proof of an underlying mathematical ordering function to begin with.

This may seem unrelated to the discussion, but this comedian makes an astute observation that is undeniably true.

Take a few minutes and be entertained as well as informed.....

Go to; 3:40 on the video.

Maths remain the same over time.