surenderer said:Stop playing with words.....Prophets are different than you or me......Sufi saints claim to have this same knowledge(sometimes more so) that the Prophets had
Apart from your aparent irritation on hearing what you don't want to hear ;
Let me ask you, what is so evil about it that you or me or the sufi saints sharing the same knowledge of Prophet(s)? If a religion so perfect does not raise its adherents to the level of its role models - the prophets, then what is the meaning for its perfection ?
And, you and me and more know today about theory of relativity which the prophet(s) were most probably blissfully unaware of OR too early to be exposed. Does not that make you and me better than prophet(s) in respect of material knowledge ? Do you believe porphet(s) have knowledge unattainable by others ? Do you believe prophet(s) were not willing to share their knowledge to the genuines ?
I think the last sentence should help differentiate who is genuine who is fake among the sufis.I dont know how much you know of Sufi history( i used to study it) but During the sixth century AH, many Sufis who have started their own Turuqh claimed that they were direct descendants of the Messenger of Allah. They did so in order to gain the support and loyalty of the common-folk, so they will be receptive to the Sufi methodology. Thus, many people embraced the Sufi Turuqh, such as the Turuqh of some infamous Sufi teachers as Ar-Rifa'i in Iraq, and Al-Badawi and Ash-Shathili in Egypt. Many other Sufi Turuqh then appeared and spread throughout the Muslim World. - With regards to Allah: The Sufis have different types of belief in Allah.
Too bad he did not bother that his murderers also would be 'Allah'. He lost his 'self' and whatever remained was 'Allah' including his killers and what was killed.Al-'Hallaj and those who followed his misguided way, believed in incarnation and that Allah's Soul appears in all types of shapes, even animals, such as cows, pigs, donkeys, etc. Allah is praised from the Kufr and Shirk that the disbelievers attribute unto Him.
I don't know what happened to this 'looser' (i mean who lost his 'self'/identity ). Did he share the fate of poor Al-hallaj ?Abu Yazid Al-Bustami, a renowned Sufi teacher said, "Allah once ascended me (meaning to Him!) and raised me between His Hands, and then said to me, 'O Abu Yazid! My creation like to gaze at you.' So I said, 'Bestow Your Oneness unto me, and make me wear Your Selfishness, so that when Your creation see me, they will say, 'We have seen You (meaning Allah),' so You will be him (meaning 1), while I will not be here! "' [Al Luma', p. 461]. (look him up if you dont believe me) :m: