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Young Midland Muslims support suicide bombings new poll reveals/

Radicalised youths from the Midlands are among those to have posted messages backing terrorists on the www.ummah.com forum.

One member had started the survey by asking users: “Do you agree with suicide bombings?”

Of those who responded, an alarming 24 per cent said they supported suicide attacks like the 7/7 tube bombings in London and the 9/11 atrocity in America.

One posting on the poll said: “I agree with suicide bombers. They should target Muslims too. They should also target those coward sleeping Muslims.”

Another, calling himself Abu Mubarak, wrote: “I don’t particularly subscribe to the suicide bombings myself, if I were to go into battle, I would want to die in a blaze of gunfire, not by pushing a button.

“I will not say it is suicide, nor condemn them, or say they are cowards, or the rest of that nonsense, because it is NOT suicide, it is a form of fighting that instils a great terror into the hearts of the koffar (non-believers).”

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One senior Muslim cleric in Birmingham described the findings of the survey as “very worrying”.

Shouiab Ahmed Mirpuri, General Secretary of the Green Lane Mosque, which was featured in last year’s Channel 4 Dispatches investigation into radical preachers, believes the key to tackling extremism is education.

“Suicide bombing is not allowed in Islam,” he told the Sunday Mercury.

“Killing innocent people is not within the teachings of the Prophet Mohammed. Murder is haraam (forbidden), suicide is haraam, it is all against Islam.

“I’m really shocked by this poll, which suggests there are a lot of people agreeing with suicide bombings.

“These people have clearly not been educated properly. Some may have been brainwashed into thinking this is acceptable.

“We should be living in the UK in peace and harmony. Even thinking about these things, or saying suicide attacks are okay is really disturbing.


Although I am not sure that is the one that Roman meant. There were these findings a few years ago, but that didn't deal with atheist, but with people who decided to convert out of Islam.

36% of 16 to 24-year-olds believe if a Muslim converts to another religion they should be punished by death, compared with 19% of over-55s


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6309983.stm

The worrying aspect of the BBC results is that it shows a much more conservative response amongst the younger age bracket of Muslims, which could indicate that their dissatisfaction has led them into the more conservative or radical branches of Islam.
 
And besides that, there are also Muslims in those countries who kill more Muslims than all the US forces combined!

And here you and DH are trying to tell us, convince us, that ALL Muslims are nice guys and all Muslims want the same thing. Odd, huh?

Baron Max

Except there is no Muslim military in the USA atm. And Americans seem to be doing a fine job killing eachother without the help of anyone else. Wanng o through this again?
 
Young Midland Muslims support suicide bombings new poll reveals/

Radicalised youths from the Midlands are among those to have posted messages backing terrorists on the www.ummah.com forum.

One member had started the survey by asking users: “Do you agree with suicide bombings?”

Of those who responded, an alarming 24 per cent said they supported suicide attacks like the 7/7 tube bombings in London and the 9/11 atrocity in America.

One posting on the poll said: “I agree with suicide bombers. They should target Muslims too. They should also target those coward sleeping Muslims.”

Another, calling himself Abu Mubarak, wrote: “I don’t particularly subscribe to the suicide bombings myself, if I were to go into battle, I would want to die in a blaze of gunfire, not by pushing a button.

“I will not say it is suicide, nor condemn them, or say they are cowards, or the rest of that nonsense, because it is NOT suicide, it is a form of fighting that instils a great terror into the hearts of the koffar (non-believers).”

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One senior Muslim cleric in Birmingham described the findings of the survey as “very worrying”.

Shouiab Ahmed Mirpuri, General Secretary of the Green Lane Mosque, which was featured in last year’s Channel 4 Dispatches investigation into radical preachers, believes the key to tackling extremism is education.

“Suicide bombing is not allowed in Islam,” he told the Sunday Mercury.

“Killing innocent people is not within the teachings of the Prophet Mohammed. Murder is haraam (forbidden), suicide is haraam, it is all against Islam.

“I’m really shocked by this poll, which suggests there are a lot of people agreeing with suicide bombings.

“These people have clearly not been educated properly. Some may have been brainwashed into thinking this is acceptable.

“We should be living in the UK in peace and harmony. Even thinking about these things, or saying suicide attacks are okay is really disturbing.


Although I am not sure that is the one that Roman meant. There were these findings a few years ago, but that didn't deal with atheist, but with people who decided to convert out of Islam.

36% of 16 to 24-year-olds believe if a Muslim converts to another religion they should be punished by death, compared with 19% of over-55s


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6309983.stm

The worrying aspect of the BBC results is that it shows a much more conservative response amongst the younger age bracket of Muslims, which could indicate that their dissatisfaction has led them into the more conservative or radical branches of Islam.

Ah, a specific age group and on a specific forum backed by anonymity. Saying that these people on a forum represent a good sample of Muslims is not true. However, if thats the criteria, I suggest we look at Kahane.org for Jews wanting non-Jews to die, and various other forums for other people and their opinions on people they want to die. YOu cannot take a forum, backed by anonymity, as an example of what the majority wants. Also, Id like to see the question posed by this centre-right think tank for the 2nd part of your post.
 
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Ahem. I just posted a link to what Roman may have been referring to. I never said whether I agreed with their methods or findings, so please, can the lecture.:)
 
Lol, it wasnt meant to you per se. It was aimed at people who might think that was a valid survey. Sorry if it sounded like it was directed at you specifically :p
 
Ah, a specific age group and on a specific forum backed by anonymity.

Heh. What sort of survey would meet your rigorous requirements, then? The all-too-common one where they publish the name of every person they surveyed? Don't be silly. The survey's findings crop up in the same percentage every time they're done. As a statistician, that's a convincing argument that the proportion represented therein is accurate: a significant minority of opinion.
 
Heh. What sort of survey would meet your rigorous requirements, then? The all-too-common one where they publish the name of every person they surveyed? Don't be silly. The survey's findings crop up in the same percentage every time they're done. As a statistician, that's a convincing argument that the proportion represented therein is accurate: a significant minority of opinion.

It was a poll on a forum :bugeye: I wish I could repeat the test we did at the F365 forums but Im afaid I would get banned :( It proved that online polls on a forum arent trustworthy
 
That was a book written by a Hindu in the 1920's attacking Islam and Muhammad, at a time when Hindu-Muslim clashes were running rampant.

So, can you name a book?

Actually it was the Hindus killing off the Muslims. Anyway, the Hindu nationalists keep producing book after book like that, even now. Theres also the strong anti-Pakistani rethoric you find in India. Theres also the numerous books written by the Lahore movement in Pakistan and India criticisng the Mullahs and the way they want to run things. And then ofcourse, the books of the orientalists can be found in Muslim countries as well. Then there are books by international authors that are critical of the Muslim world.
 
Actually it was the Hindus killing off the Muslims.

No, it was Hindus and Muslims fighting each other over their gods. The Muslims were equally at fault. That is the one point you and most other Muslims on this board conveniently ignore every single time.

So, once again, you're blowing smoke out your ass about nonsense you can't support.
 
No, it was Hindus and Muslims fighting each other over their gods. The Muslims were equally at fault. That is the one point you and most other Muslims on this board conveniently ignore every single time.

So, once again, you're blowing smoke out your ass about nonsense you can't support.

What nonsense cant I support? Are you saying there arent any books critical of Islam or that attack Islam in countries with large Muslim populations? Is it my fault that you arent aware of what is going on and being published in Muslim countries? That you are unaware of Jamal-al-Din Afghani? Muhammad Abduh? Syed Ahmed Khan? Syed Ameer Ali? Maulana Muhammad Ali?
 
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It was a poll on a forum :bugeye: I wish I could repeat the test we did at the F365 forums but Im afaid I would get banned :( It proved that online polls on a forum arent trustworthy

Every other poll I've ever seen on related subjects (sharia, terrorism, etc) has roughly the same percentage. The polls are almost certainly accurate.
 
Comparing a novel with ideas you find offensive to a couple having sex in public is laughable. And indicative of a very poor understanding of the concept of freedom of speech.

There may not be a First Amendment where you live, but there is where I live. If you don't like the western concept of free speech, including the freedom to offend the narrow minded, don't read western media, stay out of western countries, problem solved.
 
Every other poll I've ever seen on related subjects (sharia, terrorism, etc) has roughly the same percentage. The polls are almost certainly accurate.

actually polls that have the answering parties choose them selves( like say internet forum polls) tend to have the extremes answer and hence make the poll biased and inaccurate.
 
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