Israel, Palestine and the Arab/Israel Conflict

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Israel’s scorched-earth war on the Palestinian's

Israel’s scorched-earth war on the Palestinian's


Sharon won US approval for demands Israel has long sought U.S. rejection of the right of Palestinian refugees to return to land taken from them, and acceptance to annex large portions of the West Bank where Israel has illegal squatter settlements. No wonder that fat bastard was grinning as he stood next to Bush during the carefully staged ceremony 2 weeks ago . Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza is not what meets the eye Israel will continue to control Gaza’s airspace, seaports and border crossings and reserve the right to carry out military strikes against targets inside Gaza . In other words business as usual for the Palestinians intimidation, brute force, unrestrained violence and terror.Israel even wants an appraisal of Israeli assets left behind in the withdrawal and Israel reserves the right to demand compensation. Israel has never paid compensation to the millions of Palestinians it has dispossessed. In reality, Sharon wants to make Gaza a massive prison colony . This description is accurate when you consider that Gaza’s 7,500 Israeli settlers live in 1/3 of Gaza--while 1.2 million Palestinians are crowded into the rest of the area, making it the most densely populated ghetto on Earth.
 
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Bringing the Palestinians in from the camps would be suicide for Israel, and it may be anyway.

It may whatever you think it will be, regardless, they have land claims to that land.

When one group in a democracy wants to wipe out the other group, all they have to do is pro-create until their population is great enough to vote their enemies out of office. That's what would happen if the Palestinians came back from the camps. That's what is going to happen in a few years with all the Palestinians who are already in Israel.

With current demographic trends in the region you won't need refugees to come anyways. Israel's lifeblood is immigration not natural increases in population. The Pal. population growth rate is much higher then a normal Israeli, and within this century I believe the Pals. could very much out populate Zionists. The inevitable end of Israel will happen, unless it turns fascist.

But, why blame Israel for not taking the refuges from the camps? Their so-called brothers in the rest of the Arab world have land and money yet they won't let the Palestinians into their countries. Why not? Why blame Israel?

Why should the Arab states accept the Pals. as refugees? If the problem stems from Israel kicking out 750,000 people in the 40's? The surrounding Arab states are not rich and they are not capable of dealing with the huge population increases of Pals. They shouldn't have to deal with this artificial problem. It is Israeli's fault...

Why do we need a Palastinian state?

Why do we need Israel? I don't think we need either, both are causing this violence.

There is already one Palastinian state, called Jordan. Why do they need another?

Jordan is not a Pal. state, the majority of the population is Pal because of the refugee situation. Jordan does not constitute a Pal. state, Palestine does.

I might be sympathetic except that the Palestinians attack women and children first, the Israelis at least only hit women and children by accident. Accidents happen in war.

Accident? Are you serious? Are you telling me that Israel does not harm Women and Children on purpose?

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=35277

The radical Muslims are starting to come after Europe and the USA too. It won't be all that long until all non-Muslims are having to make the choices Israel is making. It's only a matter of time.

We can avoid creating the cycle of violence that exists in the Levant. We have to work with the Arabs not against them. Israel will never achieve peace as long she attacks, and the same for the Pals.
 
David F. said:
Bringing the Palestinians in from the camps would be suicide for Israel, and it may be anyway.
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It was suicide for the Palestinians to allow Jewish immigrants in to Palestine in the first place .
David F. said:
When one group in a democracy wants to wipe out the other group, all they have to do is pro-create until their population is great enough to vote their enemies out of office.
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Israel after 1948 did its best to annihilate Palestinians .
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That's what would happen if the Palestinians came back from the camps. That's what is going to happen in a few years with all the Palestinians who are already in Israel. I feel for the refugees but I don't blame Israel for refusing to commit suicide.
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It's their right too come back from those camps !
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But, why blame Israel for not taking the refuges from the camps? Their so-called brothers in the rest of the Arab world have land and money yet they won't let the Palestinians into their countries. Why not? Why blame Israel?
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Because Palestinians see what is now Israel as ther land and why should neighbouring arab countries be lumbered with the human refuse of Israels overt racist policies ?
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Why do we need a Palastinian state?
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Why do we need a Jewish only state Israel ?
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There is already one Palastinian state, called Jordan. Why do they need another?
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Jordan belongs to the Jordanians Palestine belongs to the Palestinians !
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I might be sympathetic except that the Palestinians attack women and children first, the Israelis at least only hit women and children by accident. Accidents happen in war.
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What a croc of shit ! JENIN ring a bell ?
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The radical Muslims are starting to come after Europe and the USA too. It won't be all that long until all non-Muslims are having to make the choices Israel is making. It's only a matter of time.
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Stock and Trade racism this type of racial paranoia is foubnd only in Israel may I take guess you are either Jewish or Israeli .
 
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No Zionist...most likely...don't bring Jewry into this.
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I dont know the more I see of this Zionist issue and Israel being an exclusive Jewish state I cant help but think of White South Africa . Kinda like saying Apartheid dont bring White into it !
 
The difference is that the Jewish religion forbids the immigration to the area. Israel is not a Jewish state by definition, it is a Zionist one. There are serious comparisons btwn Apartheid South Africa and Israel. Back in 2000-01? There was a conference in Johannesburg S.A about Israel's actions against the Pals. Basically most nations agreed that Israel's policy being not unlike that of South Africa. Bantustans, lack of rights, and colonizers controlling the colonized, etc. The irony is that like the South Africans, they believed it was God's Divine will to go those lands, and colonize it. When it says diametrically the opposite.
 
It is a Jewish state that is how Israel describes itself , dont lose sight of it , for non-Jew Israeli's born in that country there are 19 separate laws which can strip them of their citizenship and deport them out of the country .
 
It is a Jewish state that is how Israel describes itself , dont lose sight of it

I don't care what it calls itself, it is not Jewish. Israel is not Jewish by definition, it is Zionist. It's like believing that Stalin had the most democratic constitution in the world, that's how he described it. Reality is quite different...
 
Why Palestinians Do Suicide Bombs...

Why Palestinians Do Suicide Bombs...


well the answer is very simple...

http://www.alkhilafah.info/massacres/palestine/index.htm

you have a choice if you want to go on the website above and view the horrible things happening to Palestians. unfortunately, the Palestinians dont have this choice. For them this is daily life, for you it is just a few moments of your spare time looking at pictures...


http://www.alkhilafah.info/massacres/palestine/index.htm
perhaps a suicide bombers, family was a victim of the above or perhaps he himself was the vitctim of one of these acts (see them one the website). maybe he just doesn't to want to sit and do nothing and wait for tommorrow when these acts will be repeated. maybe he's tired of being imprisoned in his own land, where he is surroned by 8 metre high walls and Israeli sniper. the same wall that forces him to walk 18km to school, work or hospital becasue before the wall all of these were just less 3km away. maybe he is just fighting the battle that the rest of the world including the UN wont fight for him.

can you blame anyone for doing a suicide bombing after witnessing event like this?
http://www.alkhilafah.info/massacres/palestine/index.htm

and once again can i remind you that you have a choice if you want to go on the website above and view the horrible things happening to Palestians. unfortunately, the Palestinians dont have this choice. For them this is daily life, for you it is just a few moments of your spare time looking at pictures...

Written By Preacher X...
 
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CLASSIC QUOTES ON ZIONISM



"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist." -- Golda Meir Statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.

"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." -- Golda Meir (quoted in Chapter 13 of The Zionist Connection II: What Price Peace by Alfred Lilienthal )

"We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries,while denying it any employment in our own country .... expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." -- Theodore Herzl (from Rafael Patai, Ed. The Complete Diaries of Theodore Herzl, Vol I)

"... it is the duty of the [Israeli] leadership to explain to the public a number of truths. One truth is that there is no Zionism,no settlement, and no Jewish state without evacuating Arabs, and without expropriating lands and their fencing off." -- Yesha'ayahuBen-Porat, (Yedi'ot Aharonot 07/14/1972) responding to public controversy regarding the Israeli evictions of Palestinians in Rafah, Gaza, in 1972. (Cited in Nur Masalha's "A Land Without APeople" 1997, p.98)

Speaking about Zionism, and its effects on the indiginous Palestinians: (quotes from Alfred Lilienthal's The Zionist Connection II: What Price Peace)

"We seem to have thought of everything -- except the Arabs" -- Judah Magnes

"If this be the Messiah, then I do not wish to see his coming" -- Ahad Ha'am speaking of Zionism.

"I have learned that the state of Israel cannot beruled in our generation without deceit and adventurism."-- Moshe Sharett, Israel's first Foreign Minister and later a Prime Minister(p.51 Simha Flapan, "The Birth of Israel", 1987).

"The very point of Labor's Zionist program is to have as much land as possible and as few Arabs as possible!" --Yitzhak Navon ("moderate" ex-Israeli president and a leading labor party politician.) Cited on p.179 of Nur Masalha's A Land without a People who cites Bernard Avishai's The Tragedy of Zionism 1985 p.340.
 
Ben-Gurion
(First Prime Minister of Israel)



One day, or rather night, in 1956 I sat up at his house [Ben-Gurion's] till three in the morning. That night, a beautiful summer night, we had a forthright discussion on the Arab problem.

"'I don't understand your optimism," Ben-Gurion declared.

"Why should the Arabs make peace? If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country.

Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs.

We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them?

There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault?

They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?

They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance.

So it's simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there. Otherwise the Arabs will wipe us out... "

From: Nahum Goldmann, The Jewish Paradox: A personal memoir - New York: Grosset and Dunlap, 1978, pp. 99-100
 
classic quotes of arab gov'ts and the sheep they lead:

"itbakh al-yahud"
"we will drive the jews into the sea"
"ulululululullulu"
"baaaaa baaaa baaaa"
"i'm a victim even though there's 400 million of me and 5 million of al-yahud"
"the Elderz of Zion control the world"
"Jews = nazis"

classic quotes by preacher-x:
"ulululululullulu"
"baaaaa baaaa baaaa"

that's because he has not a single original idea in his head. he steals other peoples' articles and posts them as their own without even comentaries

keep barking and spreading lies ya ahabal
we got our nukes and our F16-I and we control america :)D)
and we also got the truth
so your lies and big stick that you carry don't scare anybody
 
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classic quotes of arab gov'ts and the sheep they lead:
keep barking and spreading lies ya ahabal
we got our nukes and our F16-I and we control america :)D)
and we also got the truth
so your lies and big stick that you carry don't scare anybody
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do you know anything about the logics of domination and political power. well power shifts. do you think America will stay a super power forvever? the shift of power will change as it has done 4 times this century. America is set to retire from being a superpower by 2050. and Jews have been the victims of massacres and persecution ever since the religion was founded. it is enivtable that another "hitler" will pop up or maybe another "roman empire" to persecue all of you jews. God! even william shakespeare bad mouths you.
 
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David posted: "Bringing the Palestinians in from the camps would be suicide for Israel, and it may be anyway.

Whirlwind: The life of a parasite isn't an easy one, is it, Davy 'Ol boy!

Yup urite, the Israeli/Arabs will outnumber the Jew 100:1 in Israel by 2015 and by 2050 Greater Israel will be up to its keister in neighboring Arabs and if this ah-so democratic bastion of dEMOCRACY (small "d") doesn't watch out, it may find itself packing up and moving to Florida as the US finally does what many expect. It brings the Jewish problem to our shores; however, by 2065 we end up doing what the German's did to "extricate" ourselves from these arrogant incorrigibles.

David continues: When one group in a democracy wants to wipe out the other group, all they have to do is pro-create until their population is great enough to vote their enemies out of office.

Whirlwind: Well, nobody asked you to play this pseudo-democracy game, did they? :)

More anti-Semitic talk from Zionist David (The Palys are also Semites, ya know? ). "That's what would happen if the Palestinians came back from the camps. That's what is going to happen in a few years with all the Palestinians who are already in Israel. I feel for the refugees but I don't blame Israel for refusing to commit suicide."

But, why blame Israel for not taking the refuges from the camps? Their so-called brothers in the rest of the Arab world have land and money yet they won't let the Palestinians into their countries. Why not? Why blame Israel?

Whirlwind: Hum, very cute. You burgle the mans house, steal everything that he owns in this world, and then you "want him to go live with the neighbors!"

Why do we need a Palastinian state?
There is already one Palastinian state, called Jordan.

Whirlwind: Why do we need a Jewish State?
Ditto!
(We already have one in Brooklyn New York!).

Whirlwind continues.... :eek:

Ahhhh, a real Zionist zealot!

Welcome aboard Pancho, haven't had any Kosher meat in a while, hahahaha :D

Whirlwind....
 
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yes thank you Outlandish, you're right. othedap is just a silly zionist not even a proper jew.

43% of America now belive Israel to be the biggest threat to worl peace.
56% of Europeans according to the EU believ Israel is the biggest threat to world peace.
 
How can a Jews be a Nazi? You would figure that Muslims and Nazis would get along because they hate Jews.

Anyhow, if Israel causes this much trouble, then why don't they just move?
 
Jews be a Nazi?

You tell me? There was a Nazi official who was Jewish, Rosenbaum I believe it was. The Nazi's minted a Zionist coin in 1934 in support of Zionism.

if Israel causes this much trouble, then why don't they just move?

That's really quite impossible, where would they go. I think Arabs have to come to realize that Jews are not going anywhere, and fast. I think they should endorse a one state solution so all this bickering can stop.
 
I am a Christian and I support Israel because Israel does not send children out to kill people. It is really that simple and I also believe that I can trust Israel to keep their agreements. I do not trust the Palestinians they appear to be ruled by savages and complain that they are treated like such. Appearance is a large part of life and they do not even attempt to win the respect or friendship of the larger countries. They just try to destroy them. No wonder their are so many dead Palestinians they are not acting smart so they get chopped down this is a sad reality that will not change
 
pothead
I'd like to ask you one question, and I'd apreciate an objective sensible answer please.
Now lets take White europeans of Germanic origin who have converted to Islam. Now do these peoples have any valid inherent right to the land which is now "called" Israel? (but the name is irelevant just answer within the context of that land)

I'd apreciate a sensible answer please.
 
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