EmptyForceOfChi:
No I can make a thread about what I like don't tell me what to do your just a human and an insolent one at that.
You cannot make a thread about what you like. You are bound by the posting guidelines of the forum, which you agreed to when you signed up. You are just a human, too, even if you think you are better than others.
You listen up James and you listen good, The word Kaffir is not an insult comming from me. You are not any authority on the definitions of Arabic and Aramiac words you have not even studied the subject where as I am currently learning both languages and know what the meaning is in full understanding.
It is an insult coming to me, to Dywyddyr, to GeoffP and to the other people that have complained about you. You know it, and that's clearly how you intend it, despite your apologetics.
You have a personal grudge against me and you pretend like you're being nice about it when really you look for any little slip up on my behalf, You let people insult theists and call them retards and assholes and idiots yet you do nothing about it. But when I call somebody "unclean" or a "diss-believer" I get infractions.
I have no personal grudge against you, but I'm not surprised you say I do. It's very common among posters who are moderated and are for whatever reason unable to modify their behaviour and so have to be moderated again. I get this kind of response all the time.
Warnings and temporary bans are supposed to produce some self-reflection and a change in behaviour. When they do not, we just get further bans, until finally the poster is permanently banned from sciforums. Right now, you're only one step away from that. It's a pity. You have over 9000 posts, so up until recently you have managed to get along with other posters just fine and not attract moderator attention. You might ask yourself what changed recently. To me, it looks like the trouble started when you started claiming to be a new prophet of Islam.
You are an annoying person
Meh. People are almost always annoyed at being moderated.
Also James It is not up to me to decide how somebody wants to "take" a word.
No, but when they have clearly told you they find a word insulting, if you wish to remain in civil conversation you ought to cease to use that word in respect of them. Your approach, on the other hand, has been to use it more and more often, which is deliberately antagonistic. Moreover, the context in which you choose to use the term is invariably insulting, quite apart from the use of the particular word itself.
You make me laugh all of you kaffir, like little babies crying over word definitions that hurt your little touchy feelings.How do you think "Theists" feel when you call them stupid and insult god?
And once again you insult. This is why you have been banned again - for your insults here and in other threads.
He has just eanred himself a Title, what an honour..
James R, Kaffir *The non believer"
Another deliberate insult.
He is like a historical tyrant now and will be added to the history books, everyone who has a fancy title like that is remembered in history.
Oh good. I was worried I wouldn't be in the history books.
scifes:
BEEP BEEP BEEP MAJOR IGNORANCE AND NONSENSE DETECTED
kafir is an insult as much as atheist or homosexual or jew or austrailian is one.
it points out, it describes an attribute which one admits to ascribe to him.
It is considered an insult in several contexts. More importantly, EFC is well aware that people here have taken it as an insult.
if i call you "Australian" every time i address you, you can't ban me for it because you decided to find it insulting.
If I told you I found it insulting, and you continued to use the term, then I would be justified in calling for moderator action to be taken against you.
HOWEVER, insulting the prophet of two billion people and the most reverend person in the fastest spreading religion in the world, or its god, or its holy book, is permittable on these forums under your consent.
Well, that depends. If no questioning of your prophet is allowed by you, then anybody who dares to question will be regarded by you as insulting. The difference between this and giving another member a label is that in the latter case the insult is personal, whereas in your case the insult is to an idea or faith you hold dear.
Is questioning of the prophet or the teachings of Islam allowed in Islam? If not, then Islam should grow up and learn to stand on its own two feet in the market place of ideas. If it can't take criticism or questioning, then it may not be a very robust idea in the first place.
why? because in you opinion they aren't worthy of respect, and it isn't your business if some people holify something that isn't holy, and take offence in its insult.
Please don't tell me who I do and do not respect. If you want to know, ask me. Don't assume.
if the forum is a closet for atheists, then majority is those who see "disbeliever" an insult.
What a strange thing to say. If the forum is full of proud atheists, then surely they will all freely admit to being "unbelievers" in any religion you care to name.
if the forum is a forum pertaining to human general culture, then badmouthing a prophet is considered an insult.
I don't hear you complaining about people badmouthing Nostradamus, or the Oracle of Delphi, or Jesus.
Cifo:
The Arabic word “kafir” derives from the triliteral Semitic root K-F-R that carries the literal sense of “cover” or “conceal”. However, “kafir” specifically extends these meanings to “deny” and “disbelieve” and, thus, from an Islamic perspective, “kafir” means “non-Muslim” — that is, someone who denies or disbelieves Islam.
Non-Arabic languages borrowed the Arabic word “kafir” and respelled it as “kaffir”. This word “kaffir”, with the geminated “f”, carries ambiguous and imprecise meanings and, for almost a century, some people have intended, received and/or viewed it as an ethnic slur.
Alternately, the word “non-Muslim” is a precise and easily understandable word that is not open to interpretation, and it cannot be misinterpreted as a slur.
Thankyou for that.
Bells:
A white person being offended at being referred to as a racial slur that would normally apply to blacks....
...in one context where the word is used.
But it seems he is more insulted at being referred to it because it means he is a heathen or unbeliever of the Islamic faith.
Read the context in which EFC has applied the term lately. It is almost always coupled with other slurs. It is clearly intended by him to be derogatory.
Mrs. Lucysnow:
@Chi & Scifes
You both need to reconsider your positions, you may not consider it as an slur but indeed it is for many people.
That's the bottom line here.