Life after Death
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The scientific method is responsible for dragging humanity out of the dark ages or religious, racial and even gender discrimination and indirectly promotes the existence of democracy, merit based systems and secular, non-moralistic government. It enshrines by use of statistics and good science, critical thinking, conservation of resources and human rights.
The scientific method is essential to critical thought, reasoning and sound use of logic.. IMO.
If man is ever to understand "spirituality", life after death in a way that is useful beyond merely belief, then the scientific method would need to be applied.
As it avoids the "take my word for it" call to authority that is common with out it.
It crapped out for me too.
Seattle, I spoke of the Ascended Masters. There is a lot of personal stuff that I don't want to get into; I just want to say that I believe that they exist and I have experienced their healing.
by experiencing them in a way that is repeatable, persistent and quite reasonable even if unable to be supported by scientific methodology.
Example:
From my own experience there are quite a few "ascendent masters", to use Mazulu's term, whose experience of is in accord with many others persons who have had similar experiences.
I mentioned the "Zulu" earlier... he is actually quite popular, and his personality traits seems to be consistent with all those who have experienced his presence. [although different titles are sometimes given]
However this regardless does not prove his existence beyond those persons who have experienced him.
QQ, I respect your pursuit of the Truth. But I don't think the scientific method is going to detect the soul or life after death even though I think it exists. Even if a spirit decided to communicate with you by whispering something into your ear, you would still have to make a decision to believe that it was a spirit, or you would have to assume that you imagined it. So what is the spirit supposed to do to convince you that it really exists?
I had Master Ashtar appear to me as a man in a radiant white suit. And I was frustrated because I wanted Master Ashtar to uphold my beliefs about hyper-drives and space-travel. It felt awkward, it was not what I wanted, but that was the message whether I liked it or not.
I am not sure , to be honest, what direction to go in with regard to this conversation. You have broached some pretty diverse subject materials. Mentioning Master or Lord Ashta in the same conversation as life after death and souls etc is a tad confusing... btw I do not believe the title "ascendent master" is appropriate for Master Ashta. Certainly not using my definition of ascendent any how...I had Master Ashtar appear to me as a man in a radiant white suit. And I was frustrated because I wanted Master Ashtar to uphold my beliefs about hyper-drives and space-travel. It felt awkward, it was not what I wanted, but that was the message whether I liked it or not.
To bean ascended master, you have to perfect your soul. If you don't, you'll eventually have to reincarnate. I guess it's late and this kind of subject matter might be new to some. Anyway, it's all good.
with out going into too much further detail,To bean ascended master, you have to perfect your soul. If you don't, you'll eventually have to reincarnate. I guess it's late and this kind of subject matter might be new to some. Anyway, it's all good.
"To be a cause of mass hysteria, and paranoid reactions within the "dream plain" [sub-hypnagogic state] since 1950's does not indicate an ascendent master" IMO
Sorry but I have nothing further to add..
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Mass hysteria??? Paranoia? I'm lost.
Seattle
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I had Master Ashtar appear to me as a man in a radiant white suit. And I was frustrated because I wanted Master Ashtar to uphold my beliefs about hyper-drives and space-travel. It felt awkward, it was not what I wanted, but that was the message whether I liked it or not.
I guess you just have to deal with reality. If Master Astar says no to hyper-drives...you just have to accept it.
I think the problem here is where the term "believe" is used where it does not belong, but gets used anyways. I can agree that when someone claims they believe something, they most likely believe it to be true, they are indeed being somewhat honest about their belief. However, when that person is shown the facts and evidence and it is found their beliefs are not correct, it is no longer a matter of belief, it becomes a matter of honesty. When that person continues to state that they believe and reject the facts and evidence placed in front of them, they are now being dishonest about their belief, hence they are lying. Evolution is a perfect example.
The lie is then taken even further when the same person who believes something states emphatically they have reviewed all the evidence and facts and thoroughly understand what is being presented, but cannot show in any way their understanding, they are again lying about the fact they have reviewed the facts and evidence. In the case of evolution, for example, we hear believers claim they thoroughly understand the theory and the evidence, but cannot show that they actually do understand it. They are obviously lying.
Yes, that is exactly what most believers will state when their nonsense is exposed for what it is, they believe we are haters, even though we are laughing hysterically at their nonsense.
The brain governs consciousness, of course. And although, scientists are only knee deep in understanding the entire spectrum of consciousness, there is a great deal they already know about it and learn a great deal more every day.
Because, you are the one claiming powers that we do not understand, so it would behoove you to explain that.
and you wonder and are puzzled why people will seek to expose the lie you just stated.
"the brain governs consciousness of course"
of course this is an outright lie [as per your use of the word lie]
What makes you so confident that the brain governs consciousness?
What makes you think that your consciousness is different in source to my consciousness? [ many brains sharing the same phenomena ]
Coming from a science that fails to define energy adequately, has no real definition of what consciousness actually is and many other incredible scientific fallacious claims, I find your position to be absurd.
Do you have some sort of divine authority or what?
Most importantly:
What gives you the right to claim something that genuine scientists would never claim?
A false state of pride perhaps?
The funny thing about all this is the obvious paradox that seems to come up.
Energy, what is it?
The paradox and incredible irony, is that Science actually appears to be one of the greatest believers in the paranormal [by default] and believes in the possibility of a soul in a more qualified way than a religious or paranormal nutter does. [ chuckle ]
Which harkens back to my question asked of poster Mazula.
"Why do you think mankind was inspired to utilize the scientific method?
General notes:
"The laws of thermodynamics demand that there be life after death" sort of logic
E=mc^2 could just as easily be read as God = mc^2
Bearing in mind that the c^2 is only a "speed" [a value placed upon a value]
In some deeper philosophical thought, a soul is deemed to be present when an animal exhibits a sense of values. [all animals do until they die] so one can conclude that a co-relationship could exist between life, soul and energy as they are very similar.
Energy, what is it?
- It isn't a substance. [A value perhaps]
- It actually can't be proved to exist independently of matter.
- Energy is accordingly a metaphysical object. [energy is often used to describe a human soul btw]
- Accordingly, because energy can perform a function [the only "thing" in existence that can] it must, as it is merely a metaphysical object, be paranormal in it's nature. [As a God would be perhaps]
- Apparently we have all this unaccounted for "metaphysical stuff" flying around through vacuum-ous space in the disguise of a pseudo substance called Photon.
The paradox and incredible irony, is that Science actually appears to be one of the greatest believers in the paranormal [by default] and believes in the possibility of a soul in a more qualified way than a religious or paranormal nutter does. [ chuckle ]
Which harkens back to my question asked of poster Mazula.
"Why do you think mankind was inspired to utilize the scientific method?
General notes:
"The laws of thermodynamics demand that there be life after death" sort of logic
E=mc^2 could just as easily be read as God = mc^2
Bearing in mind that the c^2 is only a "speed" [a value placed upon a value]
In some deeper philosophical thought, a soul is deemed to be present when an animal exhibits a sense of values. [all animals do until they die] so one can conclude that a co-relationship could exist between life, soul and energy as they are very similar.
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