Lilith

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Back in 2003 we had a discussion about Lilith: http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?27432-Who-was-Lilith In follow-up to the latest inquiry, I believe that Lilith does appear in the Torah. However, the theory about Lilith disappearing from the ancient texts was not necessarily about her dislike of assuming the missionary position. It was more about Adam's demand to have superior dominion over womankind. Well, we see what happened with Eve in the GoE, but that's how it was written by the patriarchy. The woman still had dominion over the man after Lilith departed. Quibbling over what was written in ancient texts is futile. It's all a mythstory anyway.
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Lilith symbolized matter. Matter had a connection to mother and was the female principle in the ancient world. Women give birth. To the ancient mind, the female had a creative connection to matter since the baby formed from matter via the mother.

The male principle, was not about matter, but about spirit; an animating principle. In the dynamics of sex leading to birth, the male generates a lot of energy to animate the matter within the woman; conception. After that she controls the baby's matter. As long as the female principle led, this symbolized matter leading spirit.

Lilith was more connected to the pre-human mind, before civilization, where instincts were designed to react to hard material reality; nature leading needs like the first snow makes you find shelter. Good food makes you gather and eat and the pretty girl makes you approach. When Lilith disappears and Eve appears, this means that the dynamic or masculine principle begins to lead. This is when the modern human mind begins to control matter leading to civilization. Grain storage is about being proactive to matter and to nature. One does not wait for the cold to store food; this is matter leading. The time of Adam and Eve and Genesis coordinates with the formation of civilization and with the invention of written language.

With language, we have an ethereal representations within the brain (mind's eye) that represent the matter. If we think of the dog, we are not making use of the dog's matter, but rather we use something more like the spirit of the dog; ancient mind. With written language, the letters takes on a tangible parallel to matter, allowing one to manipulate matter in the mind (read the recipe), before needing to touch the matter; proactive.

Eve leads Adam out of paradise. This shows matter; Eve, leading the spirit; Adam. This was regressive at the time. This regression was connected to knowledge of good and evil or law. Law is a type of collective spirit (Satan is masculine) leading matter; Eve, who then leads lower level spirit; Adam. Law is feminine because it uses matter (police with weapons) to force the spirit of the masses to conform. It is not about logic leading but material force.

The spirit of the times (Adam and Eve in paradise) was supposed to be a creative flux leading to material changes. But with the formation of civilization, all the new material things such as objects and food stores, began to set a material potential on the spirit; idol worship on desire. The lust for gold and precious stones is matter leading the spirit; Eve leads.

Jesus said to deny the world. This was to remove the influence of matter leading spirit. Without much in the way of material potentials, to lead you, the spirit begins to lead; Adam.
 
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Who's she and is she really in the bible? Do you feel she was Adams real first wife? Where else in myths does she appear?
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Genesis in the Christian bible seems to be the result of combining two oral versions to produce the current written version.

One version describes Adam & Eve being created at the same time, or at least on the same day.

The other version describes Adam as the only creature without a mate, with Eve being created later.

The Lilith mythology describes Lilith as Adams’s first wife, with no information about what happened to her before describing Adam as having no mate.

I have often wondered if Lilith is a word from some early Hebrew version of the Hebrew language meaning first wife.

There is mythology (not in the Bible) relating to Lilith.

Some myths describe descendants of Lilith lasting for many centuries, including some with descendants existing existing in modern times.

Some describe her descendants as demonic.

Others describe them as having some special abilities.

Almost all describe her as not having a normal marital relationship with the father of her children. I think all describe her & descendants as having one child, a daughter.​
 
Thanks Dinosaur.
And sumarian texts have parallels with some of Genesis and exodus, as well as some early Egyptian writings. Some information could leak into or out of some stories crossing cultures and writers. But the base foundations are there. And lilith could as you said may be from some form of writing.
 
R1D2 said:
Thanks Dinosaur.
And sumarian texts have parallels with some of Genesis and exodus, as well as some early Egyptian writings. Some information could leak into or out of some stories crossing cultures and writers. But the base foundations are there. And lilith could as you said may be from some form of writing.
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I think it the metaphor of Lilith goes much deeper.
Lilith as Adam’s First Wife
Scholars are not certain where the character of Lilith comes from, though many believe she was inspired by Sumerian myths about female vampires called “Lillu” or Mesopotamian myths about succubae (female night demons) called “lilin.” Lilith is mentioned four times in the Babylonian Talmud, but it is not until the Alphabet of Ben Sira (c. 800s to 900s) that the character of Lilith is associated with the first version of Creation. In this medieval text, Ben Sira names Lilith as Adam’s first wife and presents a full account of her story.

According to the Alphabet of Ben Sira, Lilith was Adam’s first wife but the couple fought all the time. They didn’t see eye-to-eye on matters of sexbecause Adam always wanted to be on top while Lilith also wanted a turn in the dominant sexual position. When they could not agree, Lilith decided to leave Adam. She uttered God’s name and flew into the air, leaving Adam alone in the Garden of Eden. God sent three angels after her and commanded them to bring her back to her husband by force if she would not come willingly.
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Can't have a woman dominate a man now can we?
 
you can look up your own lilith and see what sign and house it's in, if you know how to read a chart. if you dare. i warn you, it's quite accurate. lol
 
"In the Babylonian Talmud, Lilith was described as a dark spirit with an uncontrollable and dangerous sexuality. She is said to have fertilized herself with male sperm to create demons. She is believed to be the mother of hundreds of demons."
 
lilith has both a positive and negative side. she is the archetype of the independent woman who wanted to be equal to adam, not subservient. the negative is her outcast rage which can be insane or destructive.

for the most part though, she has been a negative influence in astrology synastry. she is also prominent in affair type synastries. so i don't have much good to say about her. you could say she is a bit too extreme of a feminist but at the same time, she has something necessary and positive to teach as a catalyst for positive change and liberation for women and their rights. context. lilith is on fire and that's necessary sometimes for progressive changes in society when it's needed.

remember the jodie arias case? her and the guy had prominent (many aspects) lilith synastry. more than one or two is dangerous fatal attraction type synastry or where it's not going to work.
 
Lilith was taken away form the narration because she was a pervert.

Adam was XY, more complex.

Eve was XX, more simpler.

Lilith was XXX, a complete b*tch.
 
R1D2 said:
Who's she and is she really in the bible? Do you feel she was Adams real first wife? Where else in myths does she appear?
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Do a search for .....

"Zohar - Who is Adam's second wife? What happens when we sin? - Part 1 - Rabbi Alon Anava"
... on youtube and you can find a lecture on her by an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi who was an Atheist at the time of his near death experience back in 2001.

and....

The Legend of Lilith: Adam's First Wife
 
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