low fertility rate

sculptor

sculptor

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Is low fertility rate a cause for concern?
As the population diminishes, is the fertility rate likely to increase, or continue to decline?
 
If anything, it's a cause for celebration.
The birth-rate doesn't actually indicate the degree of fertility in the population - only the number of conceptions. When a people has fewer babies, it usually means they're either starving (that's not true of Americans, yet) or controlling their reproduction. Control is a very good sign. It shows increased self-awareness, self-discipline, autonomy and foresight. If living conditions and the outlook for the future keep deteriorating, the birth-rate will go on declining; if conditions improve, it will rise.

It also means that fewer children will be deprived of the necessities of life and opportunities to thrive.
Any kids you don't have won't need to be caged by a future dictator.
 
sculptor said:
As the population diminishes,
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What are you talking about? The world population is growing and is projected to continue to grow through 2100.
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I don't think Sculptor is concerned about a decline in world population.
I think he's reacting to this recent news item .
If this is a continuing trend, the US will fall ever farther behind in the population race and rely increasingly on immigration to supply the raw humanpower for everything from crop harvesting to riot policing to tax paying.
 
Jeeves said:
I don't think Sculptor is concerned about a decline in world population.
I think he's reacting to this recent news item .
If this is a continuing trend, the US will fall ever farther behind in the population race and rely increasingly on immigration to supply the raw humanpower for everything from crop harvesting to riot policing to tax paying.
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Jeeves:

I had not seen that "news item" thanks for the link
 
If not that, than what did prompt your concern? In most newsworthy situations you hear about these days, the problem - the overwhelming, tragic, insurmountable problem - seems to be far too many people, never too few.
 
Jeeves said:
If not that, than what did prompt your concern? In most newsworthy situations you hear about these days, the problem - the overwhelming, tragic, insurmountable problem - seems to be far too many people, never too few.
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Sculptor might be worried that he is going to live another 800 years, and will have to be cared for by immigrants during his declining decades.
 
Seriously, though, population is an increasingly urgent and pressing problem, with climate change and its concomitant wars and displacement. As the habitable Earth-surface shrinks and food supplies go into global decline or catastrophic collapse; as fresh water dries up and salt water rises, children will become an increasingly heavy burden. There are already far too many children being emotionally and socially crippled in refugee, migrant and containment camps - we're raising a generation of potentially rootless, truthless, futureless gangs.
The lower classes of Europe and North America are simply following the example of their own middle class. If the women of the Other World follow suit in their turn, loosening the grip of patriarchal cultures, they might not have quite so horrible a time coming.
 
sculptor said:
Is low fertility rate a cause for concern?
As the population diminishes, is the fertility rate likely to increase, or continue to decline?
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fertility ability
fertility rate
birth rate
infant mortality rate
baby boomer birth rates
food production techniques
1 child policys
infanticide
cultural practice raping children for baby production

you have a lot of reading to catch up on

you may wish to narrow down your question to deliver an answer that you can understand
 
parmalee said:
Sculptor might be worried that he is going to live another 800 years, and will have to be cared for by immigrants during his declining decades.
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My guess would be different. He hoped, I think, to elicit a storm of indignant responses to what he thought was his incendiary comment about the population "declining", from the hand-wringing, milquetoast, pinko libtards he thinks infest the forum. :D
 
Jeeves said:
Seriously, though, population is an increasingly urgent and pressing problem, with climate change and its concomitant wars and displacement. As the habitable Earth-surface shrinks and food supplies go into global decline or catastrophic collapse; as fresh water dries up and salt water rises, children will become an increasingly heavy burden. There are already far too many children being emotionally and socially crippled in refugee, migrant and containment camps - we're raising a generation of potentially rootless, truthless, futureless gangs.
The lower classes of Europe and North America are simply following the example of their own middle class. If the women of the Other World follow suit in their turn, loosening the grip of patriarchal cultures, they might not have quite so horrible a time coming.
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they have been raised as victims who obey absolute bloody power as a balance to solve their own fear which has been indoctrinated into their core personality

on a different note
western world fertility rates have crashed
western world fertility rate crash has been masked by 2 major factors
older birth
declining population rate to a normalizing social cultural norm balanced against a longer life expectancy

western couples are facing greater and greater difficulty conceiving children

where as in the 3rd world, massive infant mortality rates where women give birth to 5 children and only 2 survive masks the massively disproportionate gap between conception rates birth rates and poverty driven infant mortality and health care

eastern fertility rates have declined
Asian fertility rates have dropped slightly
African fertility rates are fairly even(except in high pollution zones)

birth rates ... different subject
infant mortality ... different subject
 
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Jeeves said:
Is low fertility rate a cause for concern?

Why? How many billions of humans do you want?
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lol

there are several different discussions in there

the base for my answer is the nature of quality of human reproduction

"birth rate as a cultural law & moral ideology" is a different debate
equally "work life wealth balance" & living wage income levels to poverty wealth ratios

how many people are happy to live in high rise apartment ?
hundreds of millions !

how much land do humans need to grow food to feed the entire population ?
they already have enough

supply and demand is like saying "conspiracy theory"

superseding issue is
"how do you force birth control on populations when you cant control reproductive quality of human babies?"
more soo ..
when reproductive quality is declining globally
how do you balance that against lack of value of human life which is paired with infant mortality and health care access

pick a point to start and jump in

personally i am happy with a decline in population due to the slow down of over population
which would be equal to a global population decline in birth rate by around 15% to 20%
equally a global decline in population by around 10% naturally
 
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RainbowSingularity said:
personally i am happy with a decline in population due to the slow down of over population
which would be equal to a global population decline in birth rate by around 15% to 20%
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Yeah, if only 'naturally' were an option anymore!
We missed that boat by three or four decades.
The catastrophic extinction event hurtling down the turnpike won't be so nice.
 
Jeeves said:
Yeah, if only 'naturally' were an option anymore!
We missed that boat by three or four decades.
The catastrophic extinction event hurtling down the turnpike won't be so nice.
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climate change including sea level rise ?

interesting watching the latest reports from scientists about the ice melting(shelf's/glacial plugs)
if there was one thing i wanted to be proved wrong about it was that !

there will be no climate change agreements from the usa china or india
they simply wont agree to anything to change
Russia may agree in principal if other parties agree and will wait for others to join the debate

Europe is now realizing it is acting way to slowly, but cant seem to change coarse
their administration(EU & such like representatives making all the policy and voting) seems to be incapable of evolving
they appear to be waiting for someone to waive a magic wand and instantly change them into a new machine
they need to be doing all that heavy lifting themselves

UK is likely to start some legal proceedings(making new climate orientated laws) soon which is good
good for signals
but they are only 1 player and they probably cant move their own machinery dynamically enough to process new legislation along with all the impending social change and brexit requirements
dinosaurs watching speed skaters

bricks n mortar ppffttt!
climate change pppffftt !
huh !

they all need to be pushed
covid is quite timely
but there is still the stirring up the pot of selfish fat little schoolboys and then expecting them to become a dynamic charity organization
 
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