Muslim cultural center near 9/11 site causes distress

Buffalo Roam said:
Well according to Islam once a Mosque is built that land is Ummah forever more, and dedicated to Islam, very apt allegory Black Jack.
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Not to mention all those lunatics who say Islam will conquer the world. My favorite are the ones who say they'll turn the White House into a Mosque.

*sigh* Religion...
 
Lucysnow said:
Not far from 'ground zero' in NY there are plans for a muslim cultural center and will house a mosque. The development plans draws concerns from some of the family members of 9/11 victims:

Mike Burke's brother - a fireman - was one of the almost 3,000 who died as the World Trade Center's towers collapsed.

Mr Burke says families of 9/11 victims do not want a mosque by Ground Zero

Mr Burke wears badges commemorating the event on the lapels of his denim jacket.

It is not Islamaphobia, he insists - it's just that he and others do not want an Islamic institution nearby.

"I think the first concern for the families is that the religious beliefs of the terrorists who struck is going to have such a prominent place right around the corner from Ground Zero," he says.

"This is not an… anti-Muslim effort. It is understandably… emotional for them to be suddenly told that around the corner from where their loved ones were killed they're going to put a mosque."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_and_canada/10127563.stm

The developer may not have the support of the family members but they do have the support of the local community who have backed the plans but there is still opposition. A group plans to march against the plans in what they call "Islamic supremacist intimidation". Not all of the victims families agree with this stance and support the cultural center they believe will help bridge a gap between muslims and non muslims alike.
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That's rediculous. Even if the families dont want it, they too are still acting out of bigotry. Not all Muslims are bad. Not all Christians are good. The list goes on. God, I love our fundamentalist, closed-minded American population lol
 
MZ3Boy84 said:
That's rediculous. Even if the families dont want it, they too are still acting out of bigotry. Not all Muslims are bad. Not all Christians are good. The list goes on. God, I love our fundamentalist, closed-minded American population lol
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not to mention zoning laws.
 
We should let them build it, and then fly a plane into it. Show them how it feels.

(In case the reader might be a total tard, I'm joking)
 
spidergoat said:
We should let them build it, and then fly a plane into it. Show them how it feels.
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your anti arab and anti muslim are begining to become a problem. No one really wants to hear your crimes for murder, genocide, and terrorism.
 
The more interesting question here is not how everyone else feels about having a mosque in this location (fairly predictable, that), but why the Muslim group(s) in question want to put one there in the first place. Issues of fairness aside, it seems like a problematic location to pursue, and so I wonder what the thinking behind it is.
 
quadraphonics said:
The more interesting question here is not how everyone else feels about having a mosque in this location (fairly predictable, that), but why the Muslim group(s) in question want to put one there in the first place. Issues of fairness aside, it seems like a problematic location to pursue, and so I wonder what the thinking behind it is.
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probably zoning laws and price.
 
pjdude1219 said:
probably zoning laws and price.
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? I hadn't thought of downtown Manhattan as either lightly-regulated or cheap, although I'm not really in the market...

I can't really find any good sources on this story - put it into Google, and you get a lot of the usual suspects like the NY Post - but the few I've seen mention serving the apparently-considerable downtown Manhattan Muslim population, and also as a counterpoint to terrorism (the Imam in question has a lot to say about empowering moderates, etc.). To that latter, I'm not sure they aren't in over their head with this. I mean, I wish them luck with it and all, but the mismatch between their PR capabilities and the minefield they're navigating is pretty huge.
 
quadraphonics said:
? I hadn't thought of downtown Manhattan as either lightly-regulated or cheap, although I'm not really in the market...

I can't really find any good sources on this story - put it into Google, and you get a lot of the usual suspects like the NY Post - but the few I've seen mention serving the apparently-considerable downtown Manhattan Muslim population, and also as a counterpoint to terrorism (the Imam in question has a lot to say about empowering moderates, etc.). To that latter, I'm not sure they aren't in over their head with this. I mean, I wish them luck with it and all, but the mismatch between their PR capabilities and the minefield they're navigating is pretty huge.
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I was thinking more tightly regulated and that restricting areas to choose from along with the fact that the land around ground zero would be cheaper do to the lower demand for it.
 
MZ3Boy84 said:
That's rediculous. Even if the families dont want it, they too are still acting out of bigotry. Not all Muslims are bad. Not all Christians are good. The list goes on. God, I love our fundamentalist, closed-minded American population lol
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Good lord, has not one person reflected on the connections of the individuals who want to build the mosque? No one particularly minds these? Have we collectively gone blind? (Aside from the willfully blind.)

pjdude1219 said:
your anti arab and anti muslim are begining to become a problem. No one really wants to hear your crimes for murder, genocide, and terrorism.
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His, personally? Spidergoat, what have you been up to?

pjdude1219 said:
I was thinking more tightly regulated and that restricting areas to choose from along with the fact that the land around ground zero would be cheaper do to the lower demand for it.
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Which, of course, are sheer nonsense as reasons.
 
pjdude1219 said:
I was thinking more tightly regulated and that restricting areas to choose from along with the fact that the land around ground zero would be cheaper do to the lower demand for it.
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I don't think that's the case. In the first place, I'm told that there's no particular shortage of cut-rate real estate (at least, in Manhattan terms) there these days, due to the recession. Meanwhile, real estate in the financial district remains highly prized: the other areas right around Ground Zero are 80-story prestige skyscrapers, various historical buildings, etc. And the proposed construction is supposed to run to $100,000,000 for an 18-story building, so this hardly appears to be a budget undertaking.

On the other hand, a bit more poking around the Internet reveals that the guy behind the project is something of a political grandstander - this isn't an instance of simple grassroots demand for a facility in the area. Rather, it seems explicitly constructed as a PR exercise, which I worry is both hasty and beyond the means of the organization. For one thing, they named the organization the Cordoba Initiative, evoking Moorish Spain, which is, shall we say, an unwise connotation to embed in the name of such an organization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feisal_Abdul_Rauf
 
quadraphonics said:
I don't think that's the case. In the first place, I'm told that there's no particular shortage of cut-rate real estate (at least, in Manhattan terms) there these days, due to the recession. Meanwhile, real estate in the financial district remains highly prized: the other areas right around Ground Zero are 80-story prestige skyscrapers, various historical buildings, etc. And the proposed construction is supposed to run to $100,000,000 for an 18-story building, so this hardly appears to be a budget undertaking.

On the other hand, a bit more poking around the Internet reveals that the guy behind the project is something of a political grandstander - this isn't an instance of simple grassroots demand for a facility in the area. Rather, it seems explicitly constructed as a PR exercise, which I worry is both hasty and beyond the means of the organization. For one thing, they named the organization the Cordoba Initiative, evoking Moorish Spain, which is, shall we say, an unwise connotation to embed in the name of such an organization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feisal_Abdul_Rauf
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you do know that for a while Islamic Iberia was one of the most prosperous and tolerant societies in the world. I would thin that would be something to echo.
 
pjdude1219 said:
you do know that for a while Islamic Iberia was one of the most prosperous and tolerant societies in the world.
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And then, suddenly, it wasn't, off and on.

Sort of a risky thing, when you legally degrade one religion for another.
 
GeoffP said:
And then, suddenly, it wasn't, off and on.
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not really it only changed when a different group took control. which of course you'd know if you looked at history honestly and not for incidents in which you think prove what you want.
 
pjdude1219 said:
So I suppose when you look at property you don't consider price and zoning laws?
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When the Saudis are footing the bill? :rolleyes:

And none of the links of the imam pushing this mosque through ring any alarms? The site selection doesn't seem the tiniest bit fortuitous, knowing the attachment of the conservative Islamic establishment - much as any racist, radical collection of blackguards - for geography of particular significance?

What a tiny, unintrospective world you must live in.
 
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