OPINION : New COVID-19 restrictions will be needed for anti-vaxxers

exchemist said:
What? Have you never read anything about smallpox, or polio, and how these have been virtually eradicated thanks to vaccination? How can a person decide to be an antivaxxer without bothering first to read up on these classic examples before deciding? Deliberate ignorance, perhaps?
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not knowing enough about vaccines.
being too unworried to bother researching.
 
just me said:
perhaps.
what is your point?
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The fact that vaccines have saved millions of people and have in fact eradicated deadly diseases completely?
sculptor said:
Are you assuming that every last man, woman, and child was vaccinated?
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Every child from the age of 5 or 6 was vaccinated against Polio in Australia in the 50's...Every child, at both state and private schools!
Polio as far as I know is now eradicated....small pox also.
In those days we did not have too many of the fucking extreme right bellowing and whinging about so called human rights, with regards to life saving aspects as vaccinations.
In Melbourne where a second phase is now being spread, we have a total lockdown and first time ever curfew, under threat of arrest and jail...as it should be!!
 
paddoboy said:
The fact that vaccines have saved millions of people and have in fact eradicated deadly diseases completely?
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maybe.
if so good.
but actually they have not eradicated diseases completely as diseases still occur.
 
just me said:
actually this is an alternative, one amongst many, so you are not giving me the benefit of the doubt in your assumption.
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As long as the potential is there for you knowingly or unknowingly to transmit covid 19, you should not be given the benefit of any doubt, and if found to for whatever reason, to flout the laws in your particular country, with regards to this pandemic, you need to be locked up.
 
paddoboy said:
The fact that vaccines have saved millions of people and have in fact eradicated deadly diseases completely?

Every child from the age of 5 or 6 was vaccinated against Polio in Australia in the 50's...Every child, at both state and private schools!
Polio as far as I know is now eradicated....small pox also.
In those days we did not have too many of the fucking extreme right bellowing and whinging about so called human rights, with regards to life saving aspects as vaccinations.
In Melbourne where a second phase is now being spread, we have a total lockdown and first time ever curfew, under threat of arrest and jail...as it should be!!
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ok
that covers australia
.33% of the world's population
99.67% to go?
 
just me said:
maybe.
if so good.
but actually they have not eradicated diseases completely as diseases still occur.
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So? New diseases and virus' do evolve over time...the problem is keeping up with them, despite the objections from some pretentious ratbags like Trump for example.
 
sculptor said:
ok
that covers australia
.33% of the world's population
99.67% to go?
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https://www.google.com/search?q=sma.....69i57j0l7.3175j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Smallpox was an infectious disease caused by one of two virus variants, Variola major and Variola minor. The last naturally occurring case was diagnosed in October 1977, and the World Health Organization (WHO) certified the global eradication of the disease in 1980.
https://www.who.int/health-topics/poliomyelitis#tab=tab_1
In 1988, the World Health Assembly adopted a resolution for the worldwide eradication of polio, marking the launch of the Global Polio Eradication Initiative, spearheaded by national governments, WHO, Rotary International, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), UNICEF, and later joined by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance. Wild poliovirus cases have decreased by over 99% since 1988, from an estimated 350 000 cases in more than 125 endemic countries then to 175reported cases in 2019.

Of the 3 strains of wild poliovirus (type 1, type 2 and type 3), wild poliovirus type 2 was eradicated in 1999 and no case of wild poliovirus type 3 has been found since the last reported case in Nigeria in November 2012. Both strains have officially been certified as globally eradicated. As at 2020, wild poliovirus type 1 affects two countries: Pakistan and Afghanistan.

The strategies for polio eradication work when they are fully implemented. This is clearly demonstrated by India’s success in stopping polio in January 2011, in arguably the most technically challenging place, and polio-free certification of the entire WHO Southeast Asia Region in March 2014.
 
paddoboy said:
https://www.google.com/search?q=small pox&oq=small pox&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l7.3175j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Smallpox was an infectious disease caused by one of two virus variants, Variola major and Variola minor. The last naturally occurring case was diagnosed in October 1977, and the World Health Organization (WHO) certified the global eradication of the disease in 1980.
https://www.who.int/health-topics/poliomyelitis#tab=tab_1
In 1988, the World Health Assembly adopted a resolution for the worldwide eradication of polio, marking the launch of the Global Polio Eradication Initiative, spearheaded by national governments, WHO, Rotary International, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), UNICEF, and later joined by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance. Wild poliovirus cases have decreased by over 99% since 1988, from an estimated 350 000 cases in more than 125 endemic countries then to 175reported cases in 2019.

Of the 3 strains of wild poliovirus (type 1, type 2 and type 3), wild poliovirus type 2 was eradicated in 1999 and no case of wild poliovirus type 3 has been found since the last reported case in Nigeria in November 2012. Both strains have officially been certified as globally eradicated. As at 2020, wild poliovirus type 1 affects two countries: Pakistan and Afghanistan.

The strategies for polio eradication work when they are fully implemented. This is clearly demonstrated by India’s success in stopping polio in January 2011, in arguably the most technically challenging place, and polio-free certification of the entire WHO Southeast Asia Region in March 2014.
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OK
The question was
What percent of the world's population was vaccinated?
 
sculptor said:
What percent was enough?
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I don't know,[and I''m too lazy to find out exactly] other then pretty substantial according to the articles I linked to, why? what's your beef against the proven aspects of vaccinations?
Are your so called rights so important to maintaining your pretentious position, that you disregard the possible effects on others with any refusal for vaccinations, lockdowns, curfews etc? you know, effects like death, or permanent disability?
There is still so much we don't know about this virus.
 
sculptor said:
amen
and
what percentage should be vaccinated to create herd immunity?

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we are united in our ignorance
welcome aboard
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To those anti vax's:
Part of the problem is that vaccinations do not offer 100% immunity and if people decide not to vaccinate then they are an ongoing threat to the herd.
People who choose not to vaccinate need to have their decision respected sure... but by the same token, the rights of the herd need to be respected.
People who refuse to vaccinate lose their right to stay in the herd and need to be quarantined from that herd.
Your choice, your responsibility your consequences.

I can easily see Quarantine Camps for anti vaxer's being established if anything just to support the anti-vax's right to exclude them selves from the herd.
Of course viral transmission in these camps will soon take a toll of anti vax people and if little medical support is provided the numbers will reduce pretty quickly
TB, COVID, FLU, etc all rampant...but that is the consequence they voted for....

So make up your mind... vaccination or death camp... your choice!

To take advantage of other people taking the risk of vaccination, and there is always a risk, claiming to be anti vax is absurdly hypocritical and abusive. Dishonestly capitalizing on other peoples decision to vaccinate and seeking a free ride. There is no free ride!
 
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dumbest man on earth said:
I’m not advocating that we vaccinate people against their will.
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Wrong !
the majority of people are vaccinated against their will when they are babys and while they are children

see how quickly a comment or statement supposedly natured toward science looses it validity when science is applied
this is because the common peoples narrative is false

maintaining that false narrative allows the anti-vaxer-brigade to gain more leverage over those whom lack the self discipline(the majority) to study the subject

The rear entry is on fire
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and thats when it all started to get really weird
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sculptor said:
amen
and
what percentage should be vaccinated to create herd immunity?

..................
we are united in our ignorance
welcome aboard
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We know enough to understand that it can kill and disable.
We know enough to understand that those refusing to wear masks, undergo isolation, curfews, etc and/or vaccines when available, should be locked up and the key thrown away as per these arseholes......http://www.sciforums.com/threads/et...indeed-how-about-damn-inane-stupidity.163420/
 
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