1- you know absolutely nothing about what I believe
I know that you have twisted yourself into a pretzel to redefine incels so that it's not about women, but apparently about misogyny because they think that's what's going to get them the 'clicks'..
Normally I would ask why that is. But really, I've had enough of your mewling because "not all incels" to actually care.
2- I've made very, very clear statements about what I've seen, what I've read, and why I made the statements I've made. Even you should be able to understand it unless you've an underlying motive to specifically not understand it.
You have.
And none of which was actually about incels.
Had this thread been about sexual serial murderers, your input would have been invaluable.
But this thread is not about that. It's about misogynists who have formed a sub-culture online where threats and violence against women is the norm and some of whom have gone on to commit mass murder because they hate women, they think we are subhuman, and they are entitled males and believe women should pay.
Just because there are control and subjugation does not mean that incels would classify as serial sexual murderers or be seen as being like them. Incels are grievance killers, who believe they are entitled to whatever they want, and what drives them is their hatred of women, because they believe women are denying them what they feel they are entitled to. Their ideology is often connected to white supremacist ideology and racism and homophobia is also common on their website.. Which is why they are linked to hate groups or designated as hate groups.
Because residing in ignorance is your strong point, and you're clearly refusing to actually read the reference material, I'm not going to further reply to you - unless you actually read the references since you're just itching for a fight.
I have read your referenced material.
That's the interesting thing..
You think that I have not read it. I have. But you cannot accept that it's being dismissed outright because it does not apply here, just as your repeated comments about how it's not really about women was not taken seriously by the women participating in this thread so you doubled down. Because god forbid we actually know or understand misogyny and violence committed against us because of misogyny and supremacism.
Are there similarities in regards to control and subjugation? Sure. Are incels sociopaths or narcissistic? Yes. That was never in disagreement. But that does not make them like a sexual serial killer nor are they known or identified as sexual predators. They do not get any sexual pleasure out of their murders. Their mass killings are for revenge, because they hate women and feminism. What drives them is not a sexual urge. It's hatred and misogyny.
I'm not saying there isn't misogyny, nor am I trying to redefine it in any way. I'm not saying misogynistic behaviour isn't part of the problem, and you won't find me defending it, nor will you find where I said it doesn't exist, especially within the incel movement as a whole.
Here is what you did say:
IMHO, I don't think it's about women at all. It's about manipulation, domination and control, the keywords defining most serial offenders (especially in sexually related crimes),
sociopaths,
narcissists and some people with a
borderline personality disorder. It's almost if they read "Control by false authority, manipulation, intimidation" by Steve Morris (angelfire) and decided to use it as a playbook.
so it's not about women in any way, shape or form. they chose women because they found it allows them the most attention and they've learned it's a useful tactic for manipulating (etc) others
Which really, still blows my mind.
Then came this doozy:
I'm not downplaying their misogyny.
and you're correct: Incels dehumanise their targets. This was learned by Burgess , Douglas, Burgess, and Ressler during their interviews of serial offenders and criminals over the years and it doesn't just apply to incels, it applies to a whole group of criminals.
Because you aren't downplaying their misogyny by repeatedly declaring that it's not about women at all?
And then of course, in that same post, you threw in "not all incels", because apparently we are unable to make the distinction..
So, it's misogyny, but not really about women at all..
By saying it's not about women, you are redefining it. Because their main issue, their biggest gripe and the group they hate the most are women.
The group they pose a direct threat to, are women.
The group they threaten on a daily basis on their websites and forums, are women.
The group they dehumanise and have declared are not worthy of any human rights, are women.
To suggest that you aren't trying to redefine all of this, after your arguments in this thread, is laughable.
I've used very clear language that is intentionally dumed down for certain posters who've repeatedly refused, in the past, to actually read references or accept those silly things I use, like legal definitions, which clearly, concisely define words, statements etc.
Oh hey, in a thread about incels, misogyny and control, a white male starts whining that a woman is not taking his argument seriously, ergo his arguments must be "dumed down".. How strange and unusual.
You classified them as sexual predators and then diagnosed them as suffering from a
psychosexual disorder - without actually understanding what psychosexual disorders actually are (and you have repeatedly dodged questions seeking clarification for your diagnosis - that's when you started the 'I'm not talking to you anymore' spiel). While categorising their mass murders as sexually motivated crimes, when all evidence points to the contrary, you dismissed that their issue is about or with women and then trying to argue that they are misogynists.. While seemingly not understanding what that word means given you repeatedly argued that it's not about women or has anything to do with women.
And you expect to be taken seriously?
no. there are two separate discussions in that:
1- all incels (clarified on thread page 7 in mostly monosyllabic words) which include the modern, mostly male hate group
2- incels who choose to act violently and try/succeed in killing
So much for not taking to me anymore, huh?
This has already been addressed repeatedly. We get it. #notallincels. No one is saying all incels are mass murderers.
All incels who belong to these groups, however, hate women.
And all incels who have gone on to commit mass murders were motivated by their hatred of women.
I've made it clear which ones I've talked about and when.
I've also provided objective evidence.
You have kept spruiking a book. That is not related to the subject matter at all.
thread page 7
learn to read
Right back at you!
