Woody originally said: I sent out a lot of resumes to different companies over the weeks, but one morning, I showed up at my old job, and I knew somebody read my resume that was really interested in me. I just had that feeling -- I call it supernatural perception -- I could feel it.
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M*W: That was just a coincidence -- synchronicity in the universe, if you will. You were at the right place at the right time, and it was all YOUR doing!
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Q said: He said that he woke up and had a supernatural insight that something good was going to occur, in this case, his prayers being answered.
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M*W: That was just wishful thinking!
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Woody says: Nope that's not what I said, re-read the quote.
I did not "wake up to a feeling." I was sitting at my desk at work in the morning, and I knew somebody was reading my resume that was highly interested in me.
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M*W: So, then, you are actually saying that it was YOU who had the "feeling, when you were sitting at your desk," that "somebody was reading" your "resume that was highly interested in" you! Woody, YOU are RESPONSIBLE for this WISHFUL THINKING, this CREATIVE VISUALIZATION! Give yourself credit! There is NO GOD OUT THERE that gave you this opportunity. YOU DID IT YOURSELF!!! THANK YOURSELF AND BE CONFIDENT THAT YOU HAVE ALL THE POWER YOU NEED TO CREATE YOUR OWN LIFE!
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Woody: They called in the afternoon to interview me for a job that I did not apply for.
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M*W: So what? You got the job, didn't you? Good things DO happen to people who don't expect them! Give YOURSELF credit!
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Q said: Anyone with a minushka of rationality MUST ask why that prayer was answered while so many more prayers go unanswered in regards to famine, war, disease, pestulence, etc.
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Woody said: I agree, and Christians understand the difference.
I Cor 2:14
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Q says: You actually were making a good argument, Woody, as can be seen by the many responses in this thread. But now you've lost it, completely.
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M*W: Woody, if there is a god, you were created by him. But rest assured that your own spirit has created the life you are living.
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Woody says: So you are telling me to just ignore spiritual discernment, one of God's great biblical gifts. When God tugs at my heart and tells me somebody is dieing that-I-know, you just want me to ignore Him do you. I should tell you to kiss-off Q-dude!
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M*W: Woody, the greatest 'spiritual gift' or the gift of 'discernment' was given to you by your human nature. We all have the gift of discernment, but so many people don't know it. I know I have it, and I'm the farthest thing from a xian. Our very own lives give us these gifts -- not anything else!
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Southstar says: Jesus loves good ol' South Alabama and Mississippi boys! They beat those damn slaves with their Bibles just like ever' good massa should.
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M*W: My ancestors have been there and done that. I have an ancestor in deep East Tennessee who had a thriving tobacco farm with 75 slaves. They took care of their slaves, because they were important to their tobacco crops. In East Tennessee my ancestors lived and thrived on tobacco production. They couldn't have prospered if it hadn't been for their slaves.
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Woody says: You know some of them personally?
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M*W: Well, I can't speak for Quigly, and truly, I cannot even speak for my ancestors, but in that day and time, slaves benefitted from my ancestors' crops.
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Quigly said: The problem is that he interpreted those feelings after the fact
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Woody says: not so Quigly! The perception happened before the phone call, and I was anticipating the call. I'm not bragging on that, some people get a bona fide premonition that things are about to happen.
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M*W: This is true, but one doesn't need be xian to get "premonitions that things are about to happen." One may get a good feeling or that it is going to be a good day. It's only the feeling of confidence -- not anykind of miracle!
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Woody: Take my sister for example, she was always so afraid that she would have a badly deformed child. She had this fear from the time she was about 12. The only child she had was autistic.
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M*W: Woody, this is every pregnant woman's fear. That's not unusual. Unfortunately, your sister's dwelling on this fear made it come true. Aside from biology and genetics, I do believe there is such a thing as wishful thinking. If you worry about something happening, then it will.
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Woody: For many, many years, my dad always dreaded wheelchairs. After his terrible fall he was confined to a wheelchair and he died a few weeks later.
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M*W: Wishful thinking again!
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Woody: A person just knows somethings in their bones, like my grandma that was in a coma in the rest home, my mother was in the room with her, and grandma raised up her head, smiled, and waved goodbye. Then she stopped breathing and died.
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M*W: Again, Woody, not surprising. My own mother lingered in a half vegatative state for two years but wouldn't die. Her will was strong. It was after I told her "don't be afraid to go. Daddy's waiting on you." Then I told her I loved her and she actually spoke the words, "I love you, too." Then she left. Of course, I miss her. I've grieved for two and a half years for her, but I also know she loved me and wouldn't let go until I told to. I still miss her, no doubt, but she was ready to go, but I wouldn't let her! I kept telling her to "hold on." Then I realized that she wanted me to tell her I'd be okay, and it was okay for her to leave and go be with my Daddy and her mother. She asked for them often before she died. Of course, I miss her. She wasn't a xian, neither was my Dad, but at the end, I was their higher power! They clung to their last breath waiting for me to tell them it was okay to go. Who am I? Nobody, just their only child. I have no powers or I would have saved them for my own selfish purposes. There really isn't but a fine line betwween love and death, and our loved ones wait to hear it's okay from us. There is no "god" who grants this privilege -- it's the love we have inside for those who depart.
Woody, the power comes from those whom you love, and from those who love you. Love is the only answer to the good things that you are experiencing right now. It's your love for yourself (which may be the hardest to realize). It's your wife's love for you, along with your parents and your other ancestors who would always wish the best for you. Give credit where credit is due! You are experiencing the good things that your ancestors want for you. You should appreciate their love for you and not give credit to any elusive gods there be!
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M*W: That was just a coincidence -- synchronicity in the universe, if you will. You were at the right place at the right time, and it was all YOUR doing!
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Q said: He said that he woke up and had a supernatural insight that something good was going to occur, in this case, his prayers being answered.
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M*W: That was just wishful thinking!
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Woody says: Nope that's not what I said, re-read the quote.
I did not "wake up to a feeling." I was sitting at my desk at work in the morning, and I knew somebody was reading my resume that was highly interested in me.
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M*W: So, then, you are actually saying that it was YOU who had the "feeling, when you were sitting at your desk," that "somebody was reading" your "resume that was highly interested in" you! Woody, YOU are RESPONSIBLE for this WISHFUL THINKING, this CREATIVE VISUALIZATION! Give yourself credit! There is NO GOD OUT THERE that gave you this opportunity. YOU DID IT YOURSELF!!! THANK YOURSELF AND BE CONFIDENT THAT YOU HAVE ALL THE POWER YOU NEED TO CREATE YOUR OWN LIFE!
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Woody: They called in the afternoon to interview me for a job that I did not apply for.
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M*W: So what? You got the job, didn't you? Good things DO happen to people who don't expect them! Give YOURSELF credit!
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Q said: Anyone with a minushka of rationality MUST ask why that prayer was answered while so many more prayers go unanswered in regards to famine, war, disease, pestulence, etc.
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Woody said: I agree, and Christians understand the difference.
I Cor 2:14
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Q says: You actually were making a good argument, Woody, as can be seen by the many responses in this thread. But now you've lost it, completely.
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M*W: Woody, if there is a god, you were created by him. But rest assured that your own spirit has created the life you are living.
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Woody says: So you are telling me to just ignore spiritual discernment, one of God's great biblical gifts. When God tugs at my heart and tells me somebody is dieing that-I-know, you just want me to ignore Him do you. I should tell you to kiss-off Q-dude!
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M*W: Woody, the greatest 'spiritual gift' or the gift of 'discernment' was given to you by your human nature. We all have the gift of discernment, but so many people don't know it. I know I have it, and I'm the farthest thing from a xian. Our very own lives give us these gifts -- not anything else!
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Southstar says: Jesus loves good ol' South Alabama and Mississippi boys! They beat those damn slaves with their Bibles just like ever' good massa should.
*************
M*W: My ancestors have been there and done that. I have an ancestor in deep East Tennessee who had a thriving tobacco farm with 75 slaves. They took care of their slaves, because they were important to their tobacco crops. In East Tennessee my ancestors lived and thrived on tobacco production. They couldn't have prospered if it hadn't been for their slaves.
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Woody says: You know some of them personally?
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M*W: Well, I can't speak for Quigly, and truly, I cannot even speak for my ancestors, but in that day and time, slaves benefitted from my ancestors' crops.
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Quigly said: The problem is that he interpreted those feelings after the fact
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Woody says: not so Quigly! The perception happened before the phone call, and I was anticipating the call. I'm not bragging on that, some people get a bona fide premonition that things are about to happen.
*************
M*W: This is true, but one doesn't need be xian to get "premonitions that things are about to happen." One may get a good feeling or that it is going to be a good day. It's only the feeling of confidence -- not anykind of miracle!
*************
Woody: Take my sister for example, she was always so afraid that she would have a badly deformed child. She had this fear from the time she was about 12. The only child she had was autistic.
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M*W: Woody, this is every pregnant woman's fear. That's not unusual. Unfortunately, your sister's dwelling on this fear made it come true. Aside from biology and genetics, I do believe there is such a thing as wishful thinking. If you worry about something happening, then it will.
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Woody: For many, many years, my dad always dreaded wheelchairs. After his terrible fall he was confined to a wheelchair and he died a few weeks later.
*************
M*W: Wishful thinking again!
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Woody: A person just knows somethings in their bones, like my grandma that was in a coma in the rest home, my mother was in the room with her, and grandma raised up her head, smiled, and waved goodbye. Then she stopped breathing and died.
*************
M*W: Again, Woody, not surprising. My own mother lingered in a half vegatative state for two years but wouldn't die. Her will was strong. It was after I told her "don't be afraid to go. Daddy's waiting on you." Then I told her I loved her and she actually spoke the words, "I love you, too." Then she left. Of course, I miss her. I've grieved for two and a half years for her, but I also know she loved me and wouldn't let go until I told to. I still miss her, no doubt, but she was ready to go, but I wouldn't let her! I kept telling her to "hold on." Then I realized that she wanted me to tell her I'd be okay, and it was okay for her to leave and go be with my Daddy and her mother. She asked for them often before she died. Of course, I miss her. She wasn't a xian, neither was my Dad, but at the end, I was their higher power! They clung to their last breath waiting for me to tell them it was okay to go. Who am I? Nobody, just their only child. I have no powers or I would have saved them for my own selfish purposes. There really isn't but a fine line betwween love and death, and our loved ones wait to hear it's okay from us. There is no "god" who grants this privilege -- it's the love we have inside for those who depart.
Woody, the power comes from those whom you love, and from those who love you. Love is the only answer to the good things that you are experiencing right now. It's your love for yourself (which may be the hardest to realize). It's your wife's love for you, along with your parents and your other ancestors who would always wish the best for you. Give credit where credit is due! You are experiencing the good things that your ancestors want for you. You should appreciate their love for you and not give credit to any elusive gods there be!
