# Proof of the existence of God

He may well be a fictional character for you, but not for me.

jan.
Well said now this is the power of freewill.

We crave expansion it's in our very design to touch the limitations of our existence.

potential -

1. latent qualities or abilities that may be developed and lead to future success or usefulness.

2. the quantity determining the energy of mass in a gravitational field or of charge in an electric field.

If there happens to be a paint brush, paints, and a canvas lying around, the potential is there to create a painting. But this is achieved when an intelligence is present. The instruments on their own cannot achieve that, no matter how long they are there.
1. Note the word "latent"
2. Given mass and energy as already "expressed" (no longer latent).

In any case, both work by the mathematical function.

A fractal does not need intelligence, only iteration (self-similar duplication)
I call that the sum total of material energy, not God.
I comprehend God to be pure consciousness, whose nature is pure spirit
It's not the condition that possesses intelligent awareness, but the cause that gives rise to the manifestation.
IOW the manifestation is activated by the presence of God, just as the body is can be said to be alive while the spirit is present.
Yes, and this metaphysical spirit (potential) always moves in the direction of greater satisfaction (energy efficiency) or "conservation of energy".
Write4U said:
Now look at the length of the web addy and see the written mathematical language of a purely logical intelligence, such as the Internet. It gets YOU there doesn't it?
I don't get how it does.
And therein lies the problem. The Internet is not sentient but understands the mathematical language of the url CODE (the mathematical address of the website)

Watch this:

For His pleasure, and for our benefit.
jan.
Hubris.

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He may well be a fictional character for you, but not for me.

jan.
Do you not understand what the word "fictional" means?

Try a thought experiment: Pretend, just for a moment, that God isn't actually real. Can you do that?

Do you not understand what the word "fictional" means?

Try a thought experiment: Pretend, just for a moment, that God isn't actually real. Can you do that?

Okay. What next.

jan.

Does that take away your reason for living?

If I pretended it did, it would.

jan.

If I pretended it did, it would.
jan.
Ok, then let me pose a slightly different question; If it were proven that God is a purely mathematical potentiality, and humans are just evolved complex numbers (mathematical expressions), would you lose your reason for living?

Ok, then let me pose a slightly different question; If it were proven that God is a purely mathematical potentiality, and humans are just evolved complex numbers (mathematical expressions), would you lose your reason for living?

I've no idea.

jan.

And why is that?

In the same way that if I ran down the road flapping my arms, pretending to fly. I would be flying.

jan.

Ok, then let me pose a slightly different question; If it were proven that God is a purely mathematical potentiality, and humans are just evolved complex numbers (mathematical expressions), would you lose your reason for living?

I would question the proof.

jan.

In the same way that if I ran down the road flapping my arms, pretending to fly. I would be flying.

jan.
Um, what?

Why would pretending that God doesn't exist take away your reason for living?

I would question the proof.
jan.
a) That was not the question.
b) On what grounds would you question the proof??

Ok, then let me pose a slightly different question; If it were proven that God is a purely mathematical potentiality, and humans are just evolved complex numbers (mathematical expressions), would you lose your reason for living?
Ok if I created a virtual universe that you live in it certainly could be defined this way by mathematics or code but code is still art designed by a creator.

Because you defined an incomplete code of the creation as you always will from your side 'spacetime' you can never define a complete form 'objective conclusion' .

a) That was not the question.
b) On what grounds would you question the proof??

What wasn't the question?

On the grounds that I don't see complex numbers walking around, talking, playing sport etc.

jan.

Um, what?

Why would pretending that God doesn't exist take away your reason for living?

That wouldn't be the reason. The reason would be based on my pretence. Just like I would be flying, if I pretended to be.

jan.

What wasn't the question?
It was clear enough and I am still waiting for an answer. "I don't know" is not answering the question.
On the grounds that I don't see complex numbers walking around, talking, playing sport etc. jan.
The same as you don't see complex numbers creating a rainbow or a Fata Morgana?
Instead you see a physical expression of God walking around, or in the rainbow?

Do you wear corrective lenses? Optometrists mathematically correct your eyesight!

You did not watch the link I provided, did you? Too bad, it might have helped in "overcoming resistance".

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It was clear enough and I am still waiting for an answer.
You'll be waiting for a really long time.

Jan has turned deflecting and ignoring inconvenient questions into an art form.

It was clear enough and I am still waiting for an answer.

I presume that the proof would be based on either evidence or argument, not on experience. I would question such proof.

The same as you don't see complex numbers creating a rainbow?

You did not watch the link I provided, did you? In psychology it's called "overcoming resistance".

I did watch the video, but it didn't explain the origin of anything.
Nothing you have said so far accounts for origins. For example you claim that consciousness simply emerged, which explains nothing.

jan.