Prove I am not the Son of God
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QED. Either both or neither have a choice. Unless the contention is that (somehow) Spidergoat is "less capable" than Jan.
Which would have to be demonstrated.
And that demonstration (were it to be offered) would, I suspect, possibly revolve around Jan being "enabled by god" to have a choice and Spidergoat not being so.
Which is itself a refutation of there being a choice.
In other words the whole thing is yet another example of Jan's inability to parse rationality.
Which would have to be demonstrated.
And that demonstration (were it to be offered) would, I suspect, possibly revolve around Jan being "enabled by god" to have a choice and Spidergoat not being so.
Which is itself a refutation of there being a choice.
In other words the whole thing is yet another example of Jan's inability to parse rationality.
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Enmos
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Enmos
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Wow indeed.
Enmos
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In my experience they are a small minority. And, also, they react to theist's behavour such as trying to convert people, telling them they go to hell, etc (just read some thread in the religion forum and you'll see what I mean).
Enmos
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Yep, I never met one.
Besides, to hate god you would have to believe in him... which would make you a theist (?)
So, to confirm the legitimacy of my claim, we can see the following approaches:
Jan:
Depends on prophecy. If I appeared in alignment with previous predictions, then she might believe me. I wonder how she determines the previous predictions are legitimate.
John99:
Compares my actions to the value of love, which he says the Son of God would personify.
James R:
Asks for physical proof of my miracles, which is reasonable. Also asks for clarification of previous religious texts.
Jan:
Depends on prophecy. If I appeared in alignment with previous predictions, then she might believe me. I wonder how she determines the previous predictions are legitimate.
John99:
Compares my actions to the value of love, which he says the Son of God would personify.
James R:
Asks for physical proof of my miracles, which is reasonable. Also asks for clarification of previous religious texts.
Even worse, John99 requires that you conform to his own interpretation of what that value is.
Hardly rational.
God is god if and only if he behaves/ loves the way I think he should. :wtf:
I don't blame him for that, he has certain expectations. But this wasn't a perfect experiment because people know I'm skeptical and an unbeliever.
Because I killed him the other day . . .
If you were any kind of divine entity, you would know that I was lying, and so would be concerned about me.
And this is the answer to what? To what you can promise us, or to what will happen if we don't believe you?
You're doing a lousy job then.
This hurts. So you have taken the elitist side?
I have to agree.
I have been placing a lot of hope in Jan, actually.
For me, this wasn't an impediment. I'm probably too open-minded.
Clever. So for you I would need to perform miracles, such as mind reading.
Signal,
You have a tendency to think the worst.
Don't hold me accountable for that.
A theist must actually be a theist, otherwise they are kidding themselves,
and others.
There was nothing theistic about spidergoats experiment.
At what cost?
jan.
You have a tendency to think the worst.
Don't hold me accountable for that.
A theist must actually be a theist, otherwise they are kidding themselves,
and others.
There was nothing theistic about spidergoats experiment.
At what cost?
jan.
I am a defensive pessimist.
(Just don't tell me to read Machiavelli's The Prince to be able to deal with people like you ...)
At what cost ... good question.
One either depends on others, or one is a solipsist. There aren't many options to choose from in this regard.