Putin's invasion of Ukraine

Yazata said:
If the US, Europe and Russia all got into a war, guess who the results of the war would benefit in relative terms?
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china has manufacturing power & an invasion would panic the markets & create panic buying
which would benefit china to some extent.
but what would such an invasion do to chinas borders ?
would it strengthen them or would it risk escalation by radicals etc

japan would be wise to beef up its own domestic security given the sheer opportunity of random terrorist attackers taking advantage and feeling emboldened toward global chaos.

i really hope a peaceful economically sane option is chosen and the re-building can start as son as possible
having a fractured zone there only gives strength to radicals looking for easy access to arms and borders

Quantum Quack said:
To break the looming impasse:
Is it possible that a solution could be for Ukraine to declare itself or be declared as a neutral, demilitarized zone as the buffer the Russians seem to be so desperate to have against NATO?
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theory seems nice but most people are raised to only perceive 2 sides to reality, for and against
 
RainbowSingularity said:
theory seems nice but most people are raised to only perceive 2 sides to reality, for and against
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I might add that just because it may be a solution doesn't necessarily mean that it will happen. Cold war mentalities and paranoia still pervade our older generational leaders. The key difference I see is that it is that Putin is dependent on the West's support for too many things and all he is really doing is political posturing as part of his leadership cycle. (The Russians just love it when conflict calls upon their collective patriotism. Not unlike those in the USA and other places as well.) Putin needs the support of his older generational ex cold war generals and playing up to them is also part of his strategy.
The improvement in citizen prosperity etc in China and Russia etc over the last 30 odd years means that economics has a greater priority IMO than what was happening in the cold war and invading Ukraine would be simply bad for business.
but really, I have no idea what I am writing about and haven't really been paying all that much attention to it...
 
If Putin does not invade Ukraine, he is a coward.
The whole world will laugh at him.
Therefore, he must invade. :oops:
 
Saint said:
If Putin does not invade Ukraine, he is a coward.
The whole world will laugh at him.
Therefore, he must invade. :oops:
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Putin isnt stupid,
invading Ukraine would make him look like an evil agressor in front of the whole World.
And most likely start war w the West NATO,,which is what US wants imo.

War will Never happen
Its all a strategy to isolate Russia economicaly.
 
scorpius said:
Putin isnt stupid,
invading Ukraine would make him look like an evil agressor in front of the whole World.
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That's usually the case when one country invades another... the invader is seen as the aggressor.
And most likely start war w the West NATO,,which is what US wants imo.
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I'm fairly sure neither the US nor anyone in NATO wants a war with Russia. Russia is a nuclear power, and a war between nuclear powers raises the stakes for everyone. The US is not stupid enough to want to test Russia's resolve in a war, and Russia hopefully is similarly not so stupid.
War will Never happen
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Do you distinguish between "War" and "Conflict"? I.e. I can imagine a limited scale incursion into the East of Ukraine.
Its all a strategy to isolate Russia economicaly.
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The only ones isolating Russia are Russia. They can back down, and give each country their own sovereign right to join whichever, if any, alliance they want to. This would surely ensure no sanctions, would it not? Russia may not be happy to have NATO on their back-doorstep, but surely that's only an issue if Russia continue to have designs beyond its own border. If they don't, why does it matter whether NATO neighbours them or not. Maybe their rulers (i.e. Putin) are frightened that having a westernised democracy on their doorstep risks destablising their own hold on power within Russia, and that their populace may see the benefits of democracy up close. I guess if that's the case then sure, it makes sense for Russia to make their immediate neighbours' lives as miserable as their own.
 
Didn't the US have to agree to take nuclear missiles from the Turkish side of Turkey's border with Russia, to end the Cuban Missile Crisis? Back then Turkey bordered Russia.
Will NATO/US site missiles in Ukraine? How can this be assured to Russia this won't happen in the future?
 
scorpius said:
Putin isnt stupid,
invading Ukraine would make him look like an evil agressor in front of the whole World.
And most likely start war w the West NATO,,which is what US wants imo.

War will Never happen
Its all a strategy to isolate Russia economicaly.[/QUOT

A Russian fleet has entered the Black Sea which suggests that Putin is going to seize the Ukrainian port cities giving him the land route to Crimea.
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Can the Russian military impose an information blackout on Ukraine (taking down the internet and filling it with propaganda) and capture the Ukrainian leadership so that they can impose a puppet regime in short order?
 
Sarkus said:
The only ones isolating Russia are Russia. They can back down, and give each country their own sovereign right to join whichever, if any, alliance they want to. This would surely ensure no sanctions, would it not? Russia may not be happy to have NATO on their back-doorstep, but surely that's only an issue if Russia continue to have designs beyond its own border. If they don't, why does it matter whether NATO neighbours them or not. Maybe their rulers (i.e. Putin) are frightened that having a westernised democracy on their doorstep risks destablising their own hold on power within Russia, and that their populace may see the benefits of democracy up close. I guess if that's the case then sure, it makes sense for Russia to make their immediate neighbours' lives as miserable as their own.
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Sure,the Putin regime is living on borrowed time but Putin is not likely to care as his own time is limited anyway.

His successors will regret he did not mend the roof while the sun was shining.

Democracy is in retreat at the moment but it's time will surely come(fingers crossed)

Who predicted the fall of the USSR?

Perhaps we will be witness to the start of the collapse of the "Novo USSR"
 
scorpius said:
Putin isnt stupid,
invading Ukraine would make him look like an evil agressor in front of the whole World.
And most likely start war w the West NATO,,which is what US wants imo.

War will Never happen
Its all a strategy to isolate Russia economicaly.
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So you're saying that Putin wants to isolate Russian economically, by threatening Ukraine? Why does Putin want that?
 
Saint said:
Putin told press he does not want war
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What he says doesn't matter so much as what he does.

Is he moving any troops away from the border? If not, then the threat of invasion remains unchanged. When it comes to invasions, the surprise attack is always a good tactic for the invader, if he can pull it off to a greater or lesser degree.
 
a little humor
Putin visits Estonia
Immigration officer says: "Name?". "Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin".

"Address?" "Kremlin, Moscow, Russia".

"Occupation?" "No, this time just visiting".
 
I support Putin to invade and occupy Ukraine permanently,
Putin should blow the faces of the West's leaders.
 
Saint said:
I support Putin to invade and occupy Ukraine permanently,
Putin should blow the faces of the West's leaders.
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Thank goodnes youre not leader of Russia.
Ukraine has many rusians livin there but stil is independent country.
Taking it over wouldnt solve anything.
Problem is the US keeps making problems in that and many other countries by usin Ci A operatives to instal corupt gov leaders. For example Myanmar HK Taiwan etc etc


I predict soon US will atempt false flag op in Ukraine blaming Russia hoping Putin wil retaliate.
 
scorpius said:
I predict soon US will atempt false flag op in Ukraine blaming Russia hoping Putin wil retaliate.
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Interesting that you bring this up at this time - right after President Biden talked about Putin doing exactly the same kind of thing. Did Biden give you the idea?

I just heard some news that there have been some attacks by separatist forces in Eastern Ukraine. I'm not sure the extent to which Ukraine troops have responded. But Biden suggests that Putin is looking for a pretext to invade. He may be trying to provoke a Ukrainian attack on some portion of the Russian army. If that happens, Putin might hope that he can claim "self defence" when he invades Ukraine. The old "they attacked us first!" excuse.

False flag would be an appropriate term for this, certainly, especially since Putin isn't owning the pro-Russian separatists, which have of course been supported and encouraged by Russia.
 
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