Rape and the "Civilized" World

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It's actually impossible to believe you're that stupid.
I don't know if it's a blessing or a curse, but at my age it's quite possible. So many incredibly stupid things have already been not only said but done!
  • The entire country elected a president with pre-senile dementia!
  • That president destroyed Iraq as punishment for an act of war that was planned, managed, financed and executed by Saudi Arabians!
  • He then posed for a photo op, holding hands with the ruler of Saudie Arabia!
  • Banks aggressively made home loans to people knowing that they'd never be able to pay them back!
  • We harrassed Al Qaeda so badly that they relocated their headquarters in Pakistan: a country that hates us, is very poorly governed, and has nuclear weapons!
So yes, I can believe anything. No matter how stupid it is, somebody is getting ready to do it right now. Most likely someone in a high position in the U.S. government, but why not LG?

It's just that you've been told so many times that people are trying to figure out if it's a comprehension issue or some deliberate trolling calculation.
Why should we expect those to be mutually exclusive? Especially in LG's case?
 
Fiction Friction

Well, maybe you should start reading the posts you're responding to. The reason you need to shrug so much is that you're tilting windmills.
The problem is that a majority of your post, or at least the essential points you rely on in order to launch a critique of me, are simply things I did not say or issues (that we can say 300 posts later) that you continually either don't understand or don't want to discuss. AS far as the tl;dr is concerned, that becomes an issue when you dress your responses up in several thousand word contributions that do nothing but pad out examples of poorly thought out argument structures.

For instance, you take this statement of mine ...... : "Basically the problem with what you are presenting is that you put the onus for an individuals protection on someone else (namely the perpetrator .... of all people )."

and say it means this : "—the underlying implication of your argument is, when functionally applied, when some man decides a woman's jeans or skirt must mean that she wants to have sex, and her mouth says no but her eyes say yes, it's her fault."

...... And to top it all over, rather than actually explaining, in any one of your many thousands of words, how you came to such a wild conclusion, you proceed on in fifth gear about how this is the case.


Technically, I believe you call such manouvering "strawmanning", ...
:shrug:

Indeed, people have tried taking you seriously, but to no avail. There really isn't any reason for them to continue to do so. Perhaps it feels good in the moment to say things like, "tl;dr", but we're nearly three hundred posts later in the discussion and you're still shrugging about your own straw men.
on contrary, 300 posts on and you haven't even breached issues of risk assessment, which establishes the boundary for literally any risk issue you can poke a stick at.

It's actually impossible to believe you're that stupid.

To the other, if you really are still trying to have some sort of serious discussion, perhaps you might give some honest consideration to the question of why Bells isn't angry at Iceaura and me for acknowledging the need for crime prevention techniques by potential victims.
As wynn has already noted, we can consider that, but it doesn't make you appear any more straight forward in your dealings

It's just that you've been told so many times that people are trying to figure out if it's a comprehension issue or some deliberate trolling calculation.
Its becoming more apparent that you are engineering a perspective I don't have in order to engage in lengthy discussions about things nobody has even said.

eg

Okay, so the onus of protecting herself is on her. Statistically speaking, the safest preventative measure she can take against that rape is simply not accepting the date, and not acknowledging the man so that he has no reason to ask her out on a date. After all, it's her responsibility, according to your argument, to prevent his behavior.

and as for

There are reasonable precautions anyone can take against "crime" in general. But the inability of rape prevention theory advocates to establish an idea of reasonable precautions is more than a little disconcerting.

... your inability to even come to the table of a discussion breaching the term "risk assessment", the very tool which deals specifically the limits of precaution for all and any risk/hazard issues of the universe shows there are some comprehension/trolling issues a bit closer to home.

:shrug:
 
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Support the Boys: A Glimpse At the First-World Front Lines

Support the Boys

Earlier this month, Rehtaeh Parsons passed away. Her family took her off life support; a teen suicide is completed. The young woman was allegedly raped two years ago, and then bullied to death in the wake of the incident.

While police initially said there was insufficient evidence to charge anyone, the Anonymous hacking cooperative claimed to have identified the alleged rapists and threatened to release the names; with rising public interest in the case, the RCMP has re-opened the investigation. Though one of the young men allegedly named as an attacker has denied his involvement and denounced the problems the accusation has caused him—such as having to shut down his Facebook page in order to avoid criticism—Justice Minister Ross Landry has issued a public apology for his failure to pursue this case appropriately when it arose.

But in this case, which includes the distribution of child pornography—that is, photos taken during the alleged assault—leading to Ms. Parsons' tragic suicide, we are reminded that there are two sides to every story:


CBC News brings the detail:

Friends, family and supporters of the four boys allegedly involved in the Rehtaeh Parsons case have taken their voice to the streets of Halifax.

Bright, multi-coloured posters with the words: "Speak the truth. There's two sides to every story. Listen before you judge. The truth will come out. Stay strong and support the boys" have gone up in neighbourhoods around Halifax, including in the area around Rehtaeh's mother's house.

Meanwhile, a Facebook page called Speak the Truth, which aims to support the accused rapists and child pornographers, was shut down on Monday:

The group had grown to almost 130 members when the curator shut it down early Monday afternoon.

The curator wrote, "Sorry guys, but I'm taking down the support group because the police have asked that it be removed due to the fact this is 'cause names to get leaked out and spread around."

The members of the group were mainly friends of the boys, but there were also adults who lent their support.

"Chin up boys, truth will prevail. My heart goes out to Rehtaeh who felt she had to take her own life to end her misery but I believe this is 'cause of the bullying she endured," read one posting.

Another read, "One thing that came out of this support group, the boys can actually see who would be there for them, and that's all of us."

Police confirmed they spoke to the woman who started the group and expressed concerns for the boys' safety if their names got out.

While there is certainly much to argue between supporting those innocent until proven guilty and the grotesque perversity of putting these posters in the neighborhood around the late Ms. Parsons' home, it is also important to point out an underlying problem with the Speak the Truth approach:

"Chin up boys, truth will prevail. My heart goes out to Rehtaeh who felt she had to take her own life to end her misery but I believe this is 'cause of the bullying she endured," read one posting.

The problem is that the bullying is connected to the alleged assault, and, we might remind, includes the distribution of child pornography. Charlie Gillis, writing for Maclean's, explains the obvious point:

The break, though too late for Rehtaeh Parsons, was nevertheless welcome. What police described as a “credible source” had offered information on the origin of pictures allegedly showing Parsons, then 15, being raped at a party—photos her schoolmates in Cole Harbour, N.S., shared widely via text messages, to the girl's humiliation and despair. An RCMP investigation into the incident led nowhere, and on April 4, after months of online bullying linked to the still-circulating pictures, Parsons hanged herself in the bathroom of her family home. Mounties held out hope this week that their new lead would help them crack the case. “We're back in business,” declared spokesman Cpl. Scott MacCrae. But no investigation seems likely to answer another, far-reaching question arising from Parsons's death: when the pictures first emerged, why did none of her peers speak up?

Social media experts refer to them as “bystanders.” For every bully gleefully mini-casting embarrassing images, or mean girl tapping out snarky comments, they say, there are recipients in Canadian high schools too scared or complacent to voice their disgust at what they're seeing. In the case of Rehtaeh Parsons, there might have been dozens. Photos of her alleged rape at the hands of four boys spread for days around Cole Harbour High School with nary a peep to authorities from those who received it, according to those close to the 17-year-old. “[The image] quickly went viral,” wrote Parsons's mother, Leah, in a wrenching online message posted days after her daughter's death. “Rehtaeh was suddenly shunned by almost everyone she knew.”

This syndrome—familiar from past cases of so-called “cyberbullying”—has renewed concerns about the moral state of a generation that experiences much of life through pixellated screens. Members of the smartphone generation increasingly treat themselves and their peers as entertainment, explains Jesse Miller, a B.C.-based consultant who advises schools and companies on social media. Boys, in particular, can gain social cachet by being “first reporter on the scene” to deliver sensational imagery to their peers, he says. “If there's a photo of someone in your class and you're the one who can show it to your buddies, you're going to be the kid who gets that much more attention through the course of a day.”

The underlying hostility is part of the mythopoeia denounced as the Guardians of Female Chastity. Regardless of whether we follow Gillis' logic on peer pressure or consider a more sinister question of moral priority, the reality is that the damage such exploitation causes is virtually ineffable. "It's a criminal offence to share photos of underage people," laments Carol Todd, a Port Coquitlam mother whose fifteen year-old daughter took her own life after peers circulated topless photos of the girl. "People with a conscience should report this stuff."

Indeed, but in most cases they do not; the exploitative images emerge because of saturation—a spectacular story always percolates.

Certes there is the possibility that what happened to Rehtaeh Parsons was in some manner "consensual", but those who defend the perpetrators are overlooking the common roots of the two phenomena involved here.

First is the rape question, and there often arises a sentiment of, "Maybe she did consent". There are plenty who would consider an intoxicated fifteen year-old of sufficient mind to give consent. But what of the the question of four young men having sex with her? Well, let the slut-shaming commence. The entire question has its roots in the neurotic Demand for Female Chastity, which touches so many aspects of life in industrial society, including the basic double standard of stud and slut, the lesser but incredibly perplexing hebephile teacher double standard, and even the customs of flirting observable in any pub or club where men and women mix.

Then there is the question of exploitation. "I believe this is 'cause of the bullying", as one supporter of the alleged rapists explains it. The same phenomenon that would justify the rape is inextricably linked to the leverage of exploitation; that is, in a noble or even neutral context, there would be no exploitation. But there is no noble or even neutral context under these circumstances, unless one can provide a signed model release, in which case we're stuck with the child pornography question.

What was the point of taking and distributing the pictures? To celebrate the sublimated homoerotic triumph of four stupid boys sharing a sexual experience together?

Hillary Di Menna, of This magazine, notes:

Three days after his daughter's suicide, Rehtaeh Parsons' father and professional writer, Glen Canning, published a post on his blog. “[Rehtaeh was] disappointed to death,” he wrote. “Disappointed in people she thought she could trust, her school, and the police” ....

.... Rehtaeh Parsons thought the worst outcome for her case would be no charges against the men who raped her but we all know better. The worst thing that could happen would be charges,” Canning added, directly addressing the Justice Minister of Nova Scotia. “That they would be found guilty, and that Rehtaeh would sit on a court bench and listen in utter disbelief as they were given parole, or a suspended sentence, or community service. All for completely destroying her life while they laughed.”

Unfortunately, Canning's not exaggerating the possiblity of light punishment. “Nova Scotia has the highest rate of sexual assault and some of the lowest charge, conviction and sentencing rates in Canada,” Liberal MLA Kelly Regan told the legislature April 9. The rest of Canada isn't so great, either. Consider this: two years ago Kenneth Rhodes served no jail time after he raped a woman because a Manitoba judge said the victim's wardrobe—a tube top—suggested, “Sex was in the air.” With such bleak facts and the added confusion to an already life-altering situation, it is no wonder only 10 per cent of sexual assaults against women are reported.

Additionally, there is a strange futility in the Nova Scotia legal system: "In one example," DiMenna continues, "a man was sentenced to a month in prison for strangling his partner; this information was not relayed to the family court responsible for determining child custody."

The Female Chastity mythopoeia are not necessarily the bright stake at the center of a dark and powerful realm, as such, but, rather, the shadowy influence, the Invisible Hand; as I recently explained:

It depends on how you define reputation. To attend a person's self-perception is an inappropriate application in the rape prevention question. But how one defines other people is exactly the point. If by reputation we mean the esteem we grant other people, yes, that is a key factor.

But it's not all about reputation in that context. It's about the societal myths and attitudes that form the criteria for how some people—far too many, as such—assign reputation and human value.

As long as a society continues to look down on women in such a manner, it will continue to empower rape.

The members of all communities, including nations and whole civilisations, are infused with the prevailing ideologies of those communities. These, in turn, create attitudes of mind which include certain capacities and equally positively exclude others.

The ideologies may be so ancient, so deep-seated or so subtle that they are not identified as such by the people at large. In this case they are often discerned only through a method of challenging them, asking questions about them or by comparing them with other communities.

Such challenge, description, or questioning, often the questioning of assumptions, is what frequently enables a culture or a number of people from that culture to think in ways that have been closed to most of their fellows.


—Emir Ali Khan

And while Gillis might consider "renewed concerns about the moral state of a generation", what his analysis omits is a point I noted in a slightly different context: This is the world we've made, all of us together, from the beginnings of humanity.

It is within our power to change the courses of our societies; the broader culture simply lacks the will. Indeed, the last word goes to Anonymous, which should not have to explain these points to begin with:

An image of a 15-year-old girl having sex was viral in Cole Harbour District High School. Neither the school nor the police dispute this. By legal definition that image was child pornography. By some estimates, hundreds of individuals have already seen the photograph, including many adults. The police have seen the photograph. The fact that this evidence was disregarded as inappropriate for any kind of arrest by the police is unconscionable.

"What the police are saying to the citizens of Nova Scotia is clear: Having underage students drinking and having sex in your home is not a crime in our community. Photographs of a 15-year-old girls having sex is not child pornography, but if it is, the distribution of that child pornography is not a crime. A 15-year-old girl is capable of giving her consent to sex even after she is inebriated to the point that she vomits while hanging out of a windowit is not sexual assault.

"We urge the RCMP to act like guardians, set the proper example for the young men of Nova Scotia and send a clear message: This behaviour will not be tolerated in our communities. The women and young girls of Nova Scotia should not have to live in fear or be forced to hide evidence of a rape because they will be called whores."


(qtd. in Palmer)
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Notes:

Palmer, Ewan. "Rehtaeh Parsons Suicide: Teen Rape Case Re-Opened, Father Thanks Anonymous". International Business Times. April 16, 2013. IBTimes.co.uk. April 20, 2013. http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/4...arsons-suicide-anonymous-rape-nova-scotia.htm

CBC News. "Teen says he was wrongly named in Rehtaeh Parsons case". April 19, 2013. CBC.ca. April 20, 2013. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-...-rehtaeh-parsons-bully-false-accused-boy.html

—————. "Posters go up supporting boys in Rehtaeh Parsons case". April 17, 2013. CBC.ca. April 20, 2013. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-...ns-bullying-rehtaeh-boys-support-posters.html

Gillis, Charlie. "Rehtaeh Parsons and the problem of bystanders". MacLean's. April 18, 2013. Macleans.ca. April 20, 2013. http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/04/18/a-deafening-silence/

Di Menna, Hillary. "WTF Wednesday: Charges worst case scenario for Rehtaeh Parsons' case". This. April 17, 2013. This.org. April 20, 2013. http://this.org/blog/2013/04/17/wtf-wednesday-charges-worst-case-scenario-for-rehtaeh-parsons-case/
 
One practical problem, liberalism has created for extreme rape victims, is connected to the even changing definition. Rape used to be defined as a brutal act of violence and force. Now the image of rape has become watered down to mean things far more diluted, by comparison to this original imagery. It could be a he said and she said, with she said having first priority. The backlash is, extreme rape becomes subjectively water down by averaging in milder scenarios.

Let me give an analogous example to neutralize emotion in favor of intellect. Say we first define storm destruction as connected to major weather damage like a hurricane or tornado. When we say storm damage, the image that appears in everyone's mind is a powerful storm and destruction. Next, we will water this down, to get federal money, and define storm damage to mean anything connected to weather that has cost to it. This could now mean the cost of the lawn furniture fading in the sun.

Once we dilute storm damage down, when another person who suffers a tornado says storm damage, the other with the faded lawn furniture can't properly relate.

The dilution of definitions makes a difficult situation look too easy or an easy situation appear worse. People start to average causing the worse case to not get their proper care.


Although this example is unrelated to rape, the word game is the same. The media in the Boston marathon bombing started to call all the law enforcement people heroes. Emotionally this sounds warm and fuzzy. But logically, 10,000 trained personal against 2 amateurs does not make 10,000 heroes. The 2 against 10,000 is closer to what one expects of a hero ( I don't agree with the bombing ,but I am judging hero by the size of the balls required).

If 10,000 against 2 makes you a hero, then when someone does an extraordinary deed against extreme odds and is called a hero, it is harder to have the proper perspective of their actions, since 10,000 to 2 is also a hero.

If anyone is raped by the worse definition, then this true hero/victims does stand out as well as they should since even 10,000 to 2 is also a hero/raped. The system will not pamper them, but will treat them as hookers or house wives, since hero is hero and there is no large separation which they deserve.


This idea came to me the other day and I will present it to gauge the hypocrisy. Say a male is drinking and a bar fly gal starts to look pretty due to his beer goggles. They two end up in bed. When the male wakes up he feels dirty since he would not have slept with her if he was sober. Did she rape him because he was impaired and she took advantage? The next day he said, oh no, which means he does say no.

Or do only the males have to accept responsibility for impairment? The dual standard is part of why the system cannot take proper proportions when dealing with extreme rape. It knows there is a dual standard.
 
Wellwisher,
(1) Sexual intercourse with a person who does not consent to the sexual intercourse, under any of the following circumstances:

(A) When the victim is overcome by force or fear;
(B) When the victim is unconscious or physically powerless; or
(C) When the victim is incapable of giving consent because of mental deficiency or disease, or when the victim is incapable of giving consent because of the effect of any alcoholic liquor, narcotic, drug or other substance, which condition was known by the offender or was reasonably apparent to the offender;

You never mentioned if he did not give consent or was too drunk to give consent? Sounds more like bad judgement due to impairment. He was not completely incapacitated.
 
Ah women hater's..

The weather warms up, and naturally, people stop covering up.

One university student in the US has found this, well, offensive.

Dean Saxton, a student at the University of Arizona, stood on campus Tuesday wearing a shirt that said "Virgin Pride" and holding a sign reading "You Deserve Rape."

Saxton, who's known on the UA campus as "Brother Dean," gathered a crowd of onlookers by holding the sign and suggesting women who wear short shorts in 90-degree weather are asking to be raped, the Daily Wildcat reported.

Rape apologists rejoice. You are not alone.
 
wellwisher said:
One practical problem, liberalism has created for extreme rape victims, is connected to the even changing definition. Rape used to be defined as a brutal act of violence and force.
The contribution of "liberalism" - which you apparently cannot distinguish from resistance to oppression - was to deny the apologists their common resort to protestations of forbearance: that they weren't as brutal as a "legitimate rape" should be, that the woman didn't fight back hard enough to demonstrate her lack of consent, that the woman did not meet her responsibility of self-protection and precaution, that a threatened woman who did not force the perp into committing - what was your bizarre term? oh yeah - "extreme rape", could not claim she was raped, etc.

That's how rape apologists talk; that's how rapists used to get away with raping incapacitated, ambushed, youthful, or intimidated women; that's how they still do sometimes. When you talk like that, you identify yourself. Hence the label.
 
wellwisher

Just ignore Iceaura.

Notice how he can't incorporate your definition of rape and instead has to personally engineer a perspective that you didn't even offer.
It shows he is not reading anything and is pushing his own agenda on this thread, simply on the hunt for anything that he can strawman and misrepresent.
 
The dilution of definitions makes a difficult situation look too easy or an easy situation appear worse. People start to average causing the worse case to not get their proper care.

Modern legal practices seem to have the tendency to assess a crime by the reported subjective damage that the victim claims to have experienced. Some unscruplous victims can abuse this tendency of the law, while some victims who just want to get on with their lives, may end up understating their case. This leads to enormous imbalance in how the sanctions of the legal system actually manifest.

The modern tendency seems to be that it simply pays off to be a victim, and to make a point of playing the victim - the worse, the more effective.
 
wellwisher

Just ignore Iceaura.

Notice how he can't incorporate your definition of rape and instead has to personally engineer a perspective that you didn't even offer.
It shows he is not reading anything and is pushing his own agenda on this thread, simply on the hunt for anything that he can strawman and misrepresent.

That there is what the kids call "irony," folks.
 
What about masterbation? This form of self-abuse means whoever is masterbating is having sex with someone without their permission. :)
 
The weather warms up, and naturally, people stop covering up.

One university student in the US has found this, well, offensive.



Rape apologists rejoice. You are not alone.
i admire a lot of things about that guy, much more than i detest.
his guts and self control, and the way he engaged onlookers. was admirable. i have seen a lot of bible thumpers and subway hellraisers. his radical method of spurring public debate is something, imo.
 
so, rapists are evil, no one says no.
same with robbers, evil and deserve punishment, and the best solution for theft is that people not steal.
but those who keep their keys hanging from the lock or leave the windows wide open, are idiots, pure and simple, for getting robbed.
their excuse that it's fully the robber's fault, is unacceptable.

i've been to places where pigeons fly when you're within several meters away from them, because children always attack them. and i have been to cities where pigeons barely avoid your step.
even animals get it.

the cat mentioned in the op, is a special case. the kids torturing it did not represent the general surrounding conditions, they are not the norm.
which is what this all boild down to eventually.
 
i admire a lot of things about that guy, much more than i detest.
his guts and self control, and the way he engaged onlookers. was admirable. i have seen a lot of bible thumpers and subway hellraisers. his radical method of spurring public debate is something, imo.
You admire the fact that he revolted so many people?

so, rapists are evil, no one says no.
same with robbers, evil and deserve punishment, and the best solution for theft is that people not steal.
but those who keep their keys hanging from the lock or leave the windows wide open, are idiots, pure and simple, for getting robbed.
their excuse that it's fully the robber's fault, is unacceptable.
Certainly.

Now, tell me something. If you forget to put the lock and key on your wife's chastity belt or you leave the keys dangling there and she is raped. Is it your fault, hers or the rapist's?

I mean how demeaning it is to blame robber's for robbing something... Just as it would be demeaning to a rapist because his rape victim somehow forgot to put her lock and key on all of the orifices on her body. Thus, it is obviously her fault for being raped. After all, she would not have been raped if she had not done whatever it was she was doing to attract the attention of her rapist. I mean what whores! Like this woman who actually unlocked her door to her rapist and allowed him in.. Her rapist is obviously not a rapist and she is fully at fault.
 
so, rapists are evil, no one says no.
same with robbers, evil and deserve punishment, and the best solution for theft is that people not steal.
but those who keep their keys hanging from the lock or leave the windows wide open, are idiots, pure and simple, for getting robbed.
their excuse that it's fully the robber's fault, is unacceptable.

I have to wonder: What behavior, exactly, do you consider analogous to leaving the window open? If a woman wears a low-cut top, for instance, would you say she was "asking for it?" And how do you make the jump from unwise behavior to sharing fault in the act? I can understand it being unwise for a woman--or anyone, for that matter--to walk down dark alleys in the dead of night in the bad part of town, but how does one get from "It might not be smart to be here," to "It's your fault for getting raped?"

i've been to places where pigeons fly when you're within several meters away from them, because children always attack them. and i have been to cities where pigeons barely avoid your step.
even animals get it.

So, what, women should run away any time a man approaches?
 
Now, tell me something. If you forget to put the lock and key on your wife's chastity belt or you leave the keys dangling there and she is raped. Is it your fault, hers or the rapist's?

It is always the fault of the rapist. Some people here have trouble with that concept for some reason.
 
Dissonance

Balerion said:

So, what, women should run away any time a man approaches?

There is a curious dimension of sharp relief about the question. Part of me would point out that it often seems the problem is that some of our neighbors really don't seem to see anything amiss about the proposition. And then another part of me slaps the one and says, "Duh, that's the underlying point. You know, from the outset?"

But the dissonance that persists is really strange. It really does seem a living example of Emir Ali Khan's description:

The members of all communities, including nations and whole civilisations, are infused with the prevailing ideologies of those communities. These, in turn, create attitudes of mind which include certain capacities and equally positively exclude others.

The ideologies may be so ancient, so deep-seated or so subtle that they are not identified as such by the people at large.

You and I might think it self-evident that we wouldn't want a world in which it is a woman's moral and self-preservational obligation to take flight at the slightest twitch of a man in her vicinity. But that point seems problematic for the apologists and prevention advocates. They inherently push the point so far with their arguments, but instead of noting the problematic potential results, they object to the notion that such results would ever come about. It's hard to figure out what they expect, because they won't define their prevention theory.

The implications, though? With no real shaping of the point about pigeons—

"So, what, women should run away any time a man approaches?"

—your question is more than simply valid. One would think, this far along in the discussion, that the only reason that gap remains is that prevention advocates want it there.
 
You admire the fact that he revolted so many people?
i'm sure homosexuals and atheists revolt so many people too.



I mean how demeaning it is to blame robbers for robbing something... Just as it would be demeaning to a rapist because his rape victim somehow forgot to put her lock and key on all of the orifices on her body. Thus, it is obviously her fault for being raped. After all, she would not have been raped if she had not done whatever it was she was doing to attract the attention of her rapist. I mean what whores! Like this woman who actually unlocked her door to her rapist and allowed him in.. Her rapist is obviously not a rapist and she is fully at fault.
the example you're giving is not representative of rape victims.
saying that what women wear doesn't affect whether they get raped or not is unacceptable to anybody with a hint of cognition in their brain.

what you want, is to shed away all responsibility. you want to be able to wear the sexiest cloths and be as pretty as possible while being under the same risk of being raped as the next woman who's waering normal, or sexually dull, cloths.
i'm not saying that women don't deserve that..
i'm saying, and anyone with a brain agrees, that that's not realistic. that's not how real life is.

you can reject the real world and live in your fantasy world. or you can embrace the realistic unfair world.

if political leaders thought the same way as you do, they wouldn't hire bodyguards. they don't deserve to be assassinated any more than normal people, so why should they pay extra money to hire bodyguards? the only solution to assassination is people shouldn't assassinate, not those under the danger of assassinations to take extra precautions to protect themselves.
 
I have to wonder: What behavior, exactly, do you consider analogous to leaving the window open? If a woman wears a low-cut top, for instance, would you say she was "asking for it?"
The analogy is in the attraction.
An open window is inviting to a burglar.
A sexy appearance is inviting to a rapist.

What exact cloths? I think that varies from society to society. A woman knows how many looks she's getting. I know that some of my cloths get me more noticed than others. It is only natural to be conscious of people's perception of you.
If you are a handsome happily married man and want to avoid awkward or embarrassing attempts, which you would have to turn down from other women, wouldn't you wear the cloths which would give you the least looks?
Are those skinny jeans, or open top boluses? I do not know. You do.

And how do you make the jump from unwise behavior to sharing fault in the act? I can understand it being unwise for a woman--or anyone, for that matter--to walk down dark alleys in the dead of night in the bad part of town, but how does one get from "It might not be smart to be here," to "It's your fault for getting raped?"
I kinda feel what you say both does not apply to me, as the punishment for a crime should of course fall on the criminal not the victim. However, it also answers itself since "by not doing the smart thing" you are kinda getting it to happen to you and not somebody else. If you walk in a dark alley, which is known to be dangerous and be jumped, wouldn't your wife scold you for going there in the first place? Don’t parents scold their children when bad things happen to them because they want them to be safe?
 
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