Balerion,
I never said they all fall under that debate. I said everything I mentioned is common knowledge, and I'm not going to the trouble of explaining it all to you, especially since you're already fully aware of it and simply trying to get out of the discussion. I'm not playing your game, Jan. If you want to discuss those subjects, feel free, but let's not pretend that you need me to start posting press clippings to get you up to speed. Have some integrity for once.
It's not common knowledge, it just seems that way to you and others who think like you (perhaps the result of indoctrination). You made the claim and I'm asking you to back it up, not just for me, but for anyone else who may be interested in this subject.
If you continue to reject my questions it will come across that you cannot back up what you're saying.
Are you okay with that?
In other words, finding an example of X that doesn't behave like the rest of X doesn't mean that said behavior isn't a tendency of X. No group is all one thing, so trying to invalidate a notion simply because you've found a free-thinking child of Christian parents is asinine.
You're trying to make out that billvon is a rare find. I know loads of Christians like billvon. Maybe you're just out of touch with reality.
It's an analogy meant to demonstrate how your logic fails. Spidergoat (how does that translate to "SP" in your demented little world, I wonder?) did not say that "all" Christians do anything. He made a general statement that tends to be accurate, but never claimed that every Christian was as he suggested.
Are you really that petty that you're going to make an issue out of every little typo or slip that I make?
''Demented''? Because I put a 'P' instead of a 'G'?
SP (short for spider) said:
''It's conditioning. That's why "family values" as so important to Christians, it's very important to them that their children never think for themselves. They must internalize the cosmic policeman.''
he went on to say:
''I think it's a valid criticism. Many of them don't even want to send their kids to a secular school, for fear that science will contradict their precious mythology. Or maybe that they don't pray (brainwash) the kids enough.''
There is nothing to indicate, in the first post, that he was being selective. Plus, in my reply to him, I accused him of generalising which prompted him to make the second quote, to which he seemed to accept. In the second quote he made the distinction, but it was clearly an addition to his first quote.
Why would he need to state ''all Christians...'' if he actually meant all?
And why would he make the distinction in the second quote?
You don't seem to have the capacity to understand these subtle but important differences, which is why you are so miserably off-base here, but I assure you that his words do not implicate all Christians.
There you go again with the insults. I obviously have the capacity to understand subtlety, everyone does. It's part of our humanity. Why would you want to de-humanise me like that? Do you hate me? Would the world be a better place with people like me?
But getting back on track: How exactly can you assure me that his words do not implicate all Christians, when there is nothing in what he said to suggest that?
And since he is merely speaking of Christians in general as opposed to all Christians, he is not proven wrong by the presence of one product of a Christian household that breaks the mold.
Well, obviously he cannot be speaking about ''all Christians'' as he has been proven wrong in, this thread alone. But what gives him the right to make the assumption that ''Christians in general'' don't want their children to think for themselves? You say this is ''common knowledge'' but you cannot come up with a single shred of evidence to back up this claim. Or can you?
Do you understand now? Or is this genuinely beyond you?
I think i'll understand when you cite the (common knowledge) evidence.
But that's not logic. Spider never said all Christians do anything. Never said it, so nothing he's said is discredited by one example to the contrary. Meanwhile, there are millions of brainwashed people in the world who stand in evidence of his claim.
We both know that he didn't SAY ''all Christians'', but we both know that he meant Christians in general, and you backed it up with indoctrination being the CORNERSTONE of not only Christianity, but most monotheistic religions.
Now once again. Can you back that claim? It's a very simple request. Don't be afraid.
How about you, Jan? Were you raised in a religious household, or did you gravitate to group-think naturally?
Wow! Another insult. How surprising.
Don't you know Balerion? You seem to have me all figured out.
What didn't you understand about what I've already said? Is this a pathological thing, repeating questions that have already been answered?
Obviously you haven't answered the question, or you think you've answered the question within what you've said, or some other combination. But my question to you is genuine, so I'll leave it up to you.
I said you're delusional because you're accusing me of an attitude in my responses that doesn't actually exist. And the very same writing is questioning something which does include that attitude but you can't see it.
What's your reason for calling me delusional?
Are you kidding me? You asked me to give you evidence that religious people want evolution out of public schools, and that they want Creationism taught in its place. You asked me for evidence of this, then have the gall to say you're aware of the debate.
My understanding is that most Christians want both to be taught, but atheist like yourself don't, which is why I asked for evidence of your claim that Christians want it thrown out of schools and replaced by creationism.
And that wasn't the only thing I asked for evidence of. Do you remember?
Why haven't you responded to the other questions?
Look at you, you can't even keep your story straight. Do you know what I'm talking about or don't you? You can't say you know and then say you're not taking my word for it.
I'll tell you what would clear this whole thing up. Use that big old superior, elite brain of yours to simply answer my simple questions.
How's about it big fella?
jan.