Somone who knows God.!!!

[cluelusshusbund]

Everyone is born with a birth defect that hinders communion with god and everyone suffers from everyones defect.

So how did you over-com the birf defect {God gave to us}.???

i didn't.

oK... but i dont have any comunicaton wit God so im on a path to hell... you do comunicate wit God an you'r on a path to heaven... so did God give me a worser birf defect than he gave to you... or are we not all created equal an you was beter equiped to deal wit the defect than me..???

 

[Lori_7]

oK... but i dont have any comunicaton wit God so im on a path to hell... you do comunicate wit God an you'r on a path to heaven... so did God give me a worser birf defect than he gave to you... or are we not all created equal an you was beter equiped to deal wit the defect than me..???

no. you can know god too. all i did was want to. but that doesn't mean that our communion is restored as if we were without the defect. sin hinders it, but doesn't completely prohibit it. the mark of the beast will completely prohibit it.

 

[spidergoat]

Everyone is born with a birth defect that hinders communion with god and everyone suffers from everyones defect.

Its not like sin is one isolated act with one isolated consequence. Its a condition, the effects of which are pandemic and cumulative.

Nothing we did had any effect on natural forces like earthquakes. If God punishes the innocent for the sins of others, he is not good (and thus this fact would falsify his existence).

 

[cluelusshusbund]

Originally Posted by cluelusshusbund
oK... but i dont have any comunicaton wit God so im on a path to hell... you do comunicate wit God an you'r on a path to heaven... so did God give me a worser birf defect than he gave to you... or are we not all created equal an you was beter equiped to deal wit the defect than me..???

no. you can know god too. all i did was want to.

So the defect he gave us was equaly harmful... an we are both equaly equiped to overcom the defect enuff to make it to heaven... so the only diference left between us is our inviromental influences... so have you been influenced by people you respected... to beleive that God was real.???

 

[Lori_7]

Nothing we did had any effect on natural forces like earthquakes. If God punishes the innocent for the sins of others, he is not good (and thus this fact would falsify his existence).

none of us are innocent. where's the punishment? spider, the whole point of us being like this is to know good and evil. so, now we do.

 

[spidergoat]

Newborn babies aren't innocent? God cannot control natural forces? Good and evil can't be known without the superlative example of God? Where's the example?

 

[Lori_7]

Originally Posted by cluelusshusbund
oK... but i dont have any comunicaton wit God so im on a path to hell... you do comunicate wit God an you'r on a path to heaven... so did God give me a worser birf defect than he gave to you... or are we not all created equal an you was beter equiped to deal wit the defect than me..???




So the defect he gave us was equaly harmful... an we are both equaly equiped to overcom the defect enuff to make it to heaven... so the only diference left between us is our inviromental influences... so have you been influenced by people you respected... to beleive that God was real.???

no, it was personal. my grandma was a holy-roller, but religion always turned me off. i'm sure she prayed alot for me though. :shrug:

 

[Lori_7]

Newborn babies aren't innocent? God cannot control natural forces? Good and evil can't be known without the superlative example of God? Where's the example?

you're living the example. don't you feel it? don't you see it?

i said that sin is a condition...it's inherent in the flesh...therefore it must be a genetic defect, so yes, babies have the defect.

if our communion was restored, we would be very different and we would live very differently. and we would not die.

remember how god told noah about the flood? there ya go.

 

[spidergoat]

Why did God make us with a defect that has nothing to do with our personal behavior?

 

[Lori_7]

Why did God make us with a defect that has nothing to do with our personal behavior?

so we would understand the law, and voluntarily wish to commune, or to not.

it seems to me that god wants us to understand why the law is what it is. it would be impossible to understand the consequence of transgression without experiencing it. don't you think? and i think we make a choice based on that experience as to whether or not we would like to commune with god. if we're willing to live without sin, then god will make a way for us to do that. what i went through has to do with the way. the story of jesus and his blood and a restored communion. when the blood of christ (sinless) enters the body (the church), then our communion will be restored and we will and can live forever.

 

[cluelusshusbund]

...the whole point of us being like this is to know good and evil. so, now we do.

What is the pont of knowin good an evel.???

no, it was personal. my grandma was a holy-roller, but religion always turned me off. i'm sure she prayed alot for me though. :shrug:

So you had a strong influence from a very young age that God was real... yes.???

You ended what you said wit a "shrug"... so do you not give any credit to you'r grandma for helpin to instill a beleife in God in you... do you thank her prayers for you were not sinsere... or do you thank she did not know God an therfor her prayers was a waste... or do you not beleive that God answrs prayers.???

if our communion was restored, we would be very different and we would live very differently. and we would not die.

That souns like heaven.!!!
Can people restore ther communion while they are still alive here on earf.???

 

[spidergoat]

so we would understand the law, and voluntarily wish to commune, or to not.

it seems to me that god wants us to understand why the law is what it is. it would be impossible to understand the consequence of transgression without experiencing it. don't you think? and i think we make a choice based on that experience as to whether or not we would like to commune with god. if we're willing to live without sin, then god will make a way for us to do that. what i went through has to do with the way. the story of jesus and his blood and a restored communion. when the blood of christ (sinless) enters the body (the church), then our communion will be restored and we will and can live forever.

Your assertion that innocent babies have a defect created by God to encourage a connection to God is beyond absurd. How do these sinful babies make such a choice when God has already killed them?

 

[Lori_7]

Your assertion that innocent babies have a defect created by God to encourage a connection to God is beyond absurd. How do these sinful babies make such a choice when God has already killed them?

you don't think god would take an individual's knowledge into account? don't you believe in reincarnation? i do.

spider, there is something inherently wrong with humanity. otherwise we would live in perfect harmony with each other and nature. what keeps that from happening? god damn spider, this isn't hard to see...

 

[spidergoat]

He's still a murderer of innocent people.

Something wrong with humanity? It isn't sin, it's the evolution of the brain and our ability to control and manipulate nature. If we are made in God's image, what does that say about God?

 

[Lori_7]

What is the pont of knowin good an evel.???

so we make a voluntary and conscious choice to commune. if you could live without sin, would you be willing to? if you could live in communion with god and everyone else would you? how can you make a choice if you don't know the difference? god doesn't want a bunch of blind and ignorant puppets. do you want people to love you and commune with you because they're ignorant and don't know any other way, or don't realize they have a choice to or not?

So you had a strong influence from a very young age that God was real... yes.???

no. i didn't know god was real until i experienced god. i coudn't take anyone else's word for it. and like i said, religion is a bunch of hoopla.

You ended what you said wit a "shrug"... so do you not give any credit to you'r grandma for helpin to instill a beleife in God in you... do you thank her prayers for you were not sinsere... or do you thank she did not know God an therfor her prayers was a waste... or do you not beleive that God answrs prayers.???

i believe that your thoughts and desires manifest.

That souns like heaven.!!!
Can people restore ther communion while they are still alive here on earf.???

maybe. i don't know the logistics of how that will be accomplished. all i know is it has something to do with cleansed blood (like that of christ).

 

[Lori_7]

He's still a murderer of innocent people.

Something wrong with humanity? It isn't sin, it's the evolution of the brain and our ability to control and manipulate nature. If we are made in God's image, what does that say about God?

innocent of what?!?

god knows good and evil too. god just knows better.

evolution of the brain my ass. our intentions are the same yesterday and today. it makes no difference how much knowledge and intelligence and technology and science we have, the choices we make as to what to do with that knowledge are still based upon the same things. just because we know how to destroy each other and the planet doesn't mean we have to do it.

 

[spidergoat]

Does God let innocent people die through natural disasters that he could otherwise have saved? Then He is either evil, or not omnipotent.

 

[(Q)]

Does God let innocent people die through natural disasters that he could otherwise have saved? Then He is either evil, or not omnipotent.

Maybe Lori could ask those quarter million people, many of them her Christian brethren, why their god didn't save them from a tsunami? She talks with god, so god should be able to tell her his reasoning for this mass murder.

 

[Lori_7]

Does God let innocent people die through natural disasters that he could otherwise have saved? Then He is either evil, or not omnipotent.

NO ONE IS INNOCENT. IF WE HAD RESTORED COMMUNION WITH GOD NO ONE WOULD DIE OF ANYTHING...EVER.

please stop repeating yourself just because you want your point to be true.

 

[spidergoat]

If no one is innocent, then I can kill them with impunity. If no one is innocent, then Jesus was rightfully punished for his crimes.