Cris,
No, these aren’t extra senses. You are still only talking about sound detection (albeit ultrasonic), and touch (heat detection), many of our nerve cells are sensitive to heat. You are describing an extension to existing senses not extra senses
I don't think seeing heat is the same sense as feeling heat. Secondly if these senses are mere extensions, that is worse. We are not even capable of seeing things right then. Leaving the semantics aside, this only shows we do not see a lot that exists, of course, if we intend to see it with an open mind.
Can you show a supernatural extra sense?
No. And can you? That is precisely the point- we are so small neither of us can even speculate. Only, I am open to accept a possibility and you are not.
We can perceive ultrasonics; we have built equipment to detect it, that’s one reason why we know it exists. There is no connection to an imaginary alleged supernatural something
Firstly, don't you agree that ultrasonics existed 5000 years back when we didn't know they existed- i.e., wise men had no evidence of ultrasonics- so they did not know they existed. Somebody had to imagine and discover!
Secondly it is because, as you said, because ultrasonics are an extension of sound itself. How about some others that we have no clue about?
That other senses might exist is still in your imagination. It says nothing about whether they exist, do not exist, or are even possible. Without some evidence we cannot say anything one way or the other.
Correct. So with what evidence do you say a soul cannot exist? Just because a broom can do work similar to a vacuum cleaner, it does not mean a vacuum cleaner does not exist- so a brain and soul. Also see my earlier point on evidence.
Ulti: Speculation and imagination are the root of all inventions. Aren't they? The moment we lose these with our closed minds, we get stagnant.
Cris: I totally agree. The difference comes when people claim imaginative ideas as truth it is that that I find unacceptable.
But all we are saying is that the imaginative idea is possible while you tend to stifle all imagination because it doesn't fit your logic.
Without a definition the word is simply meaningless. I assume you cannot deny the existence of a blaityam either, right?
Right. When I don't know what a blaityam is, how can I deny its existence unless I just want to argue for the heck of it?
Until you define ‘soul’ and its operational parameters we wouldn’t know where to start.
And if you haven't understood what a soul is yet, what are arguing about?
Ulti: So as I said, all that you think exists is what you think exists on the earth today.
Cris: No I don’t. Where did I say that? We don’t know what might exist elsewhere.
Fine, can I take it that you are not sure if unknown things such as souls may exist far from earth?
Modern science has only been around for decades, in that sense science is barely at its beginning.
Exactly. So we may not make conclusions on things we know little about yet, like souls.
On that basis the likelyhood is extremely low that a soul might exist. Or IOW the lilelyhood of non-existence is extremely high compared to existence.
Fine. Good that you admit that there is a possibility, however small it is- you don't deny souls categorically anymore. Like they say, possible but not probable.
Ulti: We will come to whether or not it exists next.
Cris: Is that a threat or a promise?
That is the core of the problem. You are limiting yourself to two possibilities, while there could be many more that you wouldn't like to imagine.
All I wanted was to open a possibility first, then gather evidence to see if it is probable- going in steps. And how dare would I pass a threat to a mod, won't my soul be out of the board!
There are yet two questions I have for you Cris.
1) Why is it that people with perfect physical brains go mad sometimes, for no physical reason?
2) Why is it that a lot of neurosurgeons/doctors believe in god and and the supernatural?