Re: Re: The Bible is totally mistranslated
Originally posted by ReasonableDoubt
bigbear31:
Okay I want to say that the Bible is mistranslated way too much and should NOT be taken literally!!
Which part of the Bible was "mistranslated way too much" by whom? The Septuagint translation was done by Jewish Hebraic scholars far more versed in Hebrew and Aramaic than you or your wife.
What, specifically, did they mistranslate "way too much"?
bigbear31:
There are too many people going around quoting bible scriptures and such which are totally misunderstood.
You have clearly dempnstrated that fact.
bigbear31:
I speak some Hebrew and my wife is from Israel. She knows Hebrew because she grew up in Israel, she also knows Aramaic Hebrew which is slightly different.
How nice for you.
bigbear31:
The old testament was written in Hebrew and some of the New Testament was written in Aramaic, any Israeli can read the original texts of the bible.
I would be curious to know which parts of the New Testament you believe to be written in Aramaic?
bigbear31:
My point is the bible was first translated from Hebrew to Greek.
Parts of it were "first translated from Hebrew to Greek" by Jewish scholars. Other parts were originally written in Greek.
bigbear31:
The first English crusaders translated from the GREEK TEXT NOT THE HEBREW TEXT!
The "first English crusaders" translated nothing. The English translation (the KJV) was a 17th century effort by a team of language scholars, including Hebrew scholars. The Old Testament was translated from the Hebrew Masoretic Text, not Greek. The New Testament was translated from the Greek because there was no Hebrew original.
bigbear31:
For instance Mary (the mother of Jesus) was referred to as an "ALMAH" in hebrew this means "Young woman." When the Greeks translated it to Greek "Young Woman" became "Virgin." No where in the original text does it state Mary was ever a virgin!!
What "original text ". The author(s) of Matthew, always trying to make Jesus appear as the fulfillment of prophesy, misunderstood Isaiah 7:14, where the LXX uses the term parthenos. The New Testament clearly asserts the Virgin Birth.
bigbear31:
When Jesus rose from the grave he said to Mary Magnalene "Don't touch me!" In english we would assume this means,"Don't touch me." Actually in the hebrew text it is "Don't hold on to me with your heart!"
'Jesus' never rose from the grave. It's a piece of fiction.
bigbear31:
In these translations chapters were reordered by the crusaders leading up to the birth of Jesus. (Do your research all of this info is available.)
What does that sentence mean? Or are you just babbling?
bigbear31:
Unfortunately Hebrew is the only language that cannot be scientifically translated to English. They have alot of words with double and triple meanings and some of their words do not exist in our vocabulary!!
No, Hebrew is not the only language with those characteristics.
bigbear31:
The Israelis do NOT believe that Jesus ... was the son of God only that he was a great Prophet of God like Moses.
Except, of course, for Christian Israelis. There is a difference between "Israeli" and "Jew". How sad that you don't know this.
bigbear31:
I believe in God and follow my heart because I believe God will put the answers there if you ask him to, I believe you can call on Jesus and he will help you also. I think prayers are answered when you ask.
Ask your God(s) to help you with your understanding of history.
bigbear31:
But as far as the bible is concerned I would not take it literally.
Except where you do. For example, you apparently believe that there existed some guy named Moses. You also believe that some dead guy had a conversation with Mary. That's pretty silly.
FIRST OFF YOU SAID:
Which part of the Bible was "mistranslated way too much" by whom? The Septuagint translation was done by Jewish Hebraic scholars far more versed in Hebrew and Aramaic than you or your wife.
Yes I do not doubt they are more versed than ourselves. By whom that's a good question because so many have translated it up until the KJV which I believe alot of Bible thumping Christians use!!
The old testament was written in Hebrew and some of the New Testament was written in Aramaic, any Israeli can read the original texts of the bible.
Yes you are correct, that is a mistake, it was information that was spoken in Aramaic, not written. The New Testament was written first in Greek.
Parts of it were "first translated from Hebrew to Greek" by Jewish scholars. Other parts were originally written in Greek.
Yes the New Testament was definetly written in Greek.
The "first English crusaders" translated nothing. The English translation (the KJV) was a 17th century effort by a team of language scholars, including Hebrew scholars. The Old Testament was translated from the Hebrew Masoretic Text, not Greek. The New Testament was translated from the Greek because there was no Hebrew original.
The KJV is NOT the only English translation. There were translations done at the time of the crusades. Yes I have already stated Old Testament -Hebrew to Greek, New- Greek to English, you are correct.
What "original text ". The author(s) of Matthew, always trying to make Jesus appear as the fulfillment of prophesy, misunderstood Isaiah 7:14, where the LXX uses the term parthenos. The New Testament clearly asserts the Virgin Birth.
Word actually used in Hebrew scriptures is "almah" (="young woman").
Hebrew word which could have been used, but wasn't, was "bethulah" (="virgin").
IF you happen to have information that shows the New Testament shows a virgin birth you must remember that it was written in Greek, Greek is different from Hebrew, these events did not occur in Greece.
This is from a website by the way, so you don't accuse me of plagarism again. Go to :
http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cach.../virgin.shtml+mary+bible+almah&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
I do alot fo research on the internet as well as books, from now for you I will make reference as to such if you like.
'Jesus' never rose from the grave. It's a piece of fiction.
I would have to say I am torn on this subject being that I was raised in a strict Christian family. But after I have been exposed to alot of the research I have been doing I am having doubts. Plus being married to a Jew I have learned alot also since they don't consider the New Testament or Jesus. I guess when you have been exposed to it all your life it's difficult to change although I am feeling it happen.
In these translations chapters were reordered by the crusaders leading up to the birth of Jesus. (Do your research all of this info is available.)
What does that sentence mean? Or are you just babbling?
It is true I have read it many times that chapters were reordered:
3. History of Israel
We can also examine the Bible looking at the history of Israel, the life of the Lord Jesus, and the history of the New Testament church. Taking up the Hebrew printing of the Old Testament, we notice very quickly — well it takes a few months to learn how to read it — but I can tell you that in the Hebrew Old Testament the books are in a different order from the order in the English Bible. It was the Greek translation, the Septuagint that reordered the books. The Old Testament in Hebrew is called TANAKH from the first letters of Torah, Nevi'im, and Kethuvim. The Law, Prophets and Writings. In the TANAKH the order of the books is very different.
Go to:
http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cach...ers+reordered+bible+christians&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
No, Hebrew is not the only language with those characteristics.
You are correct, there is the oriental, arabic which I believe stems from Hebrew.
The Israelis do NOT believe that Jesus ... was the son of God only that he was a great Prophet of God like Moses.
Except, of course, for Christian Israelis. There is a difference between "Israeli" and "Jew". How sad that you don't know this.
Now I have to say you are wrong on this point because, in order to become a citizen of Israel you HAVE TO BE JEWISH. To become a citizen of Israel is a very grueling process. You need to study Jewish law, study and learn Hebrew and put in your time at the Kibuttz, then after a few years they might except you as a citizen. If you are already Jewish you have to prove it by showing your family has been Jewish, the longer your family has been Jewish the better chance you have of actually becoming a citizen after a few years. I could NEVER be a citizen because my family was christian and I would not want to go through the years of prayer and hard labor to become one.
Now there are a few Arabic Israelis that have lived in Israel for decades since the state started to evolve that are Christians, that would be the ONLY exception.
Also American Jews are different from Israeli Jews and European Jews, but if they are of true Jewish families, that is they can prove so, they are all citizens of Israel. In fact when you leave Israel you are always a citizen even if you become a citizen of another country.
Ask your God(s) to help you with your understanding of history. CUTE. Just curious, what do you believe?? What is your background and where do you get your information?? Are you a teacher?
Except where you do. For example, you apparently believe that there existed some guy named Moses. You also believe that some dead guy had a conversation with Mary. That's pretty silly.
Okay I am starting to understand, it's okay to believe what you want, I would not think any less of anyone who believed in other Gods or Gods or lack of. Again I have told you I have my doubts about Jesus. I think all the technical BS doesn't matter as long as you treat people how you want to be treated. Yes Moses either said or didn't say or never existed. But if you get something out of it, I think that's the bottom line here. If you don't then look for what does. I like business, nutrition and doing research on history those are the things that make me happy, I don't base my life on Moses, in fact this is really the only time I think about things like this unless I am doing research again. People like you keep me on my feet.
Hope that answers your questions.