Oh I understand the "bound by nature" rule, with out a problemo, but I fail to understand the "bound by our math derived from nature" law.
Then you might as well close up shop and go home. You're saying it's impossible to know anything, therefore your opinions are greater or equal to the aggregate of human knowledge. Go figure.
The Mathematical reality is for example
Mathematics is not reality. What the hell does that phrase even mean? It's just BS filler to substitute for substantive language. Implicit is this is "QQ hates math". You may not be surprised to learn that math doesn't revolve around your opinion of it. It just keeps winking and wiggling its upturned finger, beckoning you to enroll in a class if not just to go take same jr. high math and start to get your feet wet, rather than just strutting around and griping about the odds of rainfall.
that we have no idea what is happening in the universe today
What does that even mean? More of the universe than you will ever have time to study is right beneath your nose. But even that's not god enough for you, presumably because it takes work, and it's much easier to sit back on your laurels and gripe about it. Gawd forbid you would have to pick up a pencil and paper and start learning elementary geometry - theorems and proofs - when you can just beat your gums and pretend to be saying something meaningful. That's the real subtext of this whole thread. QQ has gone to the land of all play and no work and can't be bothered by all the intellectual turmoil out there. Yet it's all over the web every day - about CERN or Gravity Probe B and a bunch more cool stuff - so, hey, QQ just jumped on the bandwagon and started rewriting all of the history of human intellectual endeavor. Because it's easier than trying to understand some
infinitesimal piece of it.
as all our information is derived from ancient and possibly irrelevant sources.
More meaningless BS. I realize it disturbs you to discover that the light from cosmic objects left their nuclear furnaces eons ago, but they obviously did so at vastly different times. This means that all the cumulative specks of light paint a panorama of the state of events of nearly the entire history of the universe. Crying that this is "possibly irrelevant" is, ironically, more than just possibly irrelevant. The question is: what do you say human knowledge has gained from the study of the cosmos? Turn your cynicism around and come down off that high horse and suddenly you will be immersed in a boundless ocean of relevance. Although the kid's pool is quite shallow, and for a good reason.
So I am sorry but I can not agree with your math if you abuse your own understanding by ignoring your first premise, "That light data takes 'c' to transit"
More meaningless BS. First of all, this has nothing to do with me. I'm just correcting your nonsense and bald claims with a few tidbits of elementary material. You can't even get past this to begin to take on the big questions.
yes see above... understand your own models first and apply your own premises consistently and you may get some where.
You're not in a position to tell me where to go. You bogged down at the elementary school level. I'm standing up on the hill, with the first principles as my foundation. You haven't even learned to scramble up the first switchback, and you sure as hell haven't packed a lunch for the trek. So it's pretty ridiculous for you to stand in judgment of me, and much worse, of all math, all science, and all human knowledge in general. It's a knuckleheaded pseudo-intellectual attack on true intellect, something that you seem to be fixated on destroying. And why is that? Envy I suppose. You've got an axe to grind against the educated world because you never got anywhere in school. Wah! :bawl:
The limitation of the scientific method is adequately exposed with this "simple" error of inconsistent application of the very model you are working with.
I'm not working. I'm kicked back. You're the one pounding away at this granite mountain with your little plastic hammer. You have no connection to first principles, so you're just inventing all these fictional demons and dragons that you're pretending to march off and rescue us from. But they only exist in your mind, filling the void that most people stick their education in.
Your model is saying that the "night sky full of stars" is irrelevant to knowing or observing today's universe....
"Model" = BS. "Today's universe" is meaningless moronic BS. There is no "today" in distant reference frames - you alone are tripping on this. It's your own creation of an imaginary monster threatening to unpin all human knowledge, and set it loose from its moorings. But up here where the visibility is better, it's just you pounding that little plastic hammer into your forehead because you never really got very far in school, so you like to come to the forums and pretend to wear the big boys' britches. But they don't fit. Your pants keep falling down since you never learned to button them. You actually have no clue what you're talking about. It's all pretense - styrofoam.
and that says heaps about the limitations of the scientific method.
The only heaps are the piles of BS you're shoveling. This statement locks you in as a hardened crank. You know nothing at all about science, yet you alone have come to the carefully determined analysis that all of human endeavor is fundamentally flawed. Yet even the novices are standing up here on this colossal rock, looking down at you and laughing at the fool beating himself up with a plastic hammer, pants falling down, and unable to make the first few steps up the beginner's slope. Given this, even if the scientific method did happen to have some flaw - which only a dunderhead would claim - we would still have the mountain quaking with the thunder of laughter at the fool below.
Your model is also stating that the universe is literally teeming with transiting energy... eh what?
Claiming I proposed a model is just a bald lie. "Transiting energy" is meaningless BS. As I'm sure you know, virtually all we know about the cosmos is made evident by the wealth of radiant energy bombarding us from all directions. Yes, radiation is pervasive in the cosmos. Other than that your statement is just more BS.
Your model relies upon the transit of an energy packet [photon - wave/particle] across the void of space that has never been observed and can never be observed to actually transit that space.
Again, stop blaming me. You are the loner here, not me. When you learn how to clip your suspenders on, try to see if you can actually formulate an intelligent statement. A photon is a quantum of energy with limited comparison to a particle, and almost entirely known to us by its wave nature. And yes, there is abundant evidence about what photons reveal about the cosmos. Your refusal to comprehend what is revealed can best be remedied by a few high school science classes. I would encourage you to find an observatory that offers some educational classes, and I would certainly invest in a telescope before I set out to dismantle all of human knowledge. A good beginner's telescope is a great way to learn how to get down off that high horse that has you locked into an infinite loop of stubborn ignorance.
just a model...just a model...
No, I have said nothing about models. You just learned to throw jargon around to give the appearances of having something meaningful to say.
The term "Infinitesimal" is a term introduced to aid mathematics in solving their dilemma of being trapped in their own limited understanding of how nature works.
No, it's a term that describes the sum of your knowledge of math and science. In math, it has a precise meaning, and even the ancient Greeks had a better handle on it than you do. But since you have no clue about what I'm talking about, and since you so stubbornly resist learning the things you are ignorant about, I won't waste the time explaining it to you.
It is pure abstraction needed to provide a way for you humans to deal with the nature of zero, oblivion , unconsciousness, center of gravity, center of mass, zilch, nothingness, etc...
Here again you are pontificating about stuff you've never bothered to learn. And, predictably, your remarks have no bearing on first principles, stuff normally picked up in jr. high and high school.
You simply can't deal with "non-existence" can you.
You simply can't deal with educated discussion, can you.
The very idea that gravitational action could be the effect of 4 dimensions constantly contracting to zero, oblivion, end times, zilch, nothingness is unable to be comprehended is it?
Speaking of nothingness, that pretty well characterizes the content of this statement. And all of the lack of comprehension is attributed to the knuckleheads who refuse to learn.
"The primary reason we humans stand up [fight against the pull of Gravity], is because we know if we remain lying down we shall surely die"[/I]
At present the reason you can't stand up is because you're hopelessly lazy. Once you actually try to learn something, all the pretense that you're using to hide your ignorance of nature will fade. I mean it would be like that if you would ever actually took the plunge and did something about those ugly warts you've got covering up the input pathways to your intellect.
so ...uhm, according to your use of the light effect model how much energy is in transit at any given moment?
When you learn to ask an actual question I'll be glad to answer you. Playing word games is pointless. As you know (or should I say: as you
should know) a photon is charged with an amount of energy equivalent to the amount given up by the electron that created it. This is the moment propagation begins. At that moment the energy content of the photon is equal to Planck's constant times the frequency of the created wave. Of course you could have googled that so I suspect you've got some snarky retort planned for any reply to the bogus question you posed.
Can't address the question can you? Intellectual cowardice perhaps?
What does that even mean? Why don't you just cut the BS and get real? Address what? Your stubborn insistence on being vague, dumb and flat wrong?
then, addressing the issue of "how much energy in transit" should be a real and fundamental requirement to any understanding of universal dynamics...
More BS. You asked about the energy content of a photon. I answered you. So what. None of what you just said means anything. You're just sniping at random to cover up for what you never bothered to study. Go crack a book and snipe at yourself for once. That's where all of your problems lie.
Playing hopscotch around the issue by attempting to bury it in complexity and some sort of call to authority serves you badly and reeks of intellectual cowardice.
Blah blah blah. When in doubt throw around some more meaningless BS.
The simple fact is that according to your science there is energy in transit throughout the universe,
No, it's not mine. It's everyone's - except yours, of course because you keep spitting out what's being spoon fed to you. Again "energy in transit throughout the universe" is meaningless BS. Just get off your high horse and ask about the nature of light seen through telescopes. Instead of pontificating about it, tell us what it is, what we've learned about it, and what we've learned about the universe by the many fields engaged in studying it - optics, physics, cosmology, etc. Then you'll actually be approaching the forum as an adult instead of this snot-nosed brat who's got a chip on his shoulder because - well, gee, ma, the stuff is just too
hard wah!! :bawl:
and currently it is unaccounted for. Why is that? Sheer blindness?
Said the guy in dark glasses tapping a stick while complaining about the color and hue of all of the things he has never laid eyes on.
Or a lack of courage to consider that science may have it wrong?
I would think that refusing to pay attention in class or do the homework is the only character deficit you should concern yourself about. Until you can say one intelligent thing about what science has right, you're not in a position to comment on what may be wrong with something that happens to irk you. But only a moron holds "all of science" (whatever that means) accountable for his own willful ignorance. So far all of the indictments are being written against you, for your own gross confessions of guilt. Yes, that's right, it's all on the record - and J'accuse!
Note: we are not talking about cosmic background radiation [CBR]. ( we haven't even started to consider this one.]
I think you need to start with some very basic science before you can pretend to care about the presence of the microwave background radiation of the cosmos. You have to learn to crawl before you can begin to learn to walk. But first you have to take the thumb out of your mouth to liberate the hand you need to set our self in motion. But first you have to get over all the fundamental learning issues that have kept you in the oral phase of early development.
A great article landed on my desk via email today:
The first premise is that people act in good faith, good will and have a genuine interest in what they are doing and strive for the better good.
obviously a failed first premise....
It sounds like someone else sees the same flaws in you that you have put on display here, in full Technicolor and surround sound.